Stop blaming the parents. By doing so you are becoming part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Those parents have been brainwashed into thinking different than you and I think. Me and my wife agree that in a case like this we would go straight to the police, but I know a whole lot of people, sincere, caring parents, who are convinced that the best course of action is to go to the elders, because the bible says so.. They can't explain where, but they know dead sure the bible says so.
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Media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from ABC News New York
by Londo111 inhttp://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/dockets.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.
see last item:.
"media request to record/broadcast oral argument; from abc news new york".
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What's next, Food Banks?
by Quarterback injust thinking, and speculating here.
who would have even immagined a tv channel as a change.
what could top that?.
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Food band concept is simple. Publishers donate non perishables canned food, WT tower gives it out in exchange for a future donation. Unlikely to make them a fortune but it may earn enough members. The problem with that idea is that is more likely to attract people looking for food than it is to attract new members.
I live in one of the poorest areas of the US. Average household income is about 12k a year. Many religions have come in here and offered people (specially single mothers and undocumented inmigrants) free food, homes and loans. The math is simple. Someone can work really hard to earn credit worthiness and pay a bank 14 to 18% interest on a short term loan or loose their assets or, a religion can come and offer the loan to you for free (in some cases no need to repay) and then God guilt you into giving 10% of your income for the rest of your life. What pays better?
What? did you really think that WTBTS had invented something new with this new donation arrangement?
We had several pioneers in our congo tell us the story of new interested people, who wanted to start a study. After several weeks of earning the trust of the pioneer, they asked if the church offered loans to people. When the pioneer said no, the person asked to discontinue the study. True story.
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Watchtower Oct 15 2014. Legal contracts?
by StarTrekAngel infor anyone who may have looked at, or attended the wt study for this week.
the first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often.
anyone noticed this?
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Thanks everyone for their input. I was just especulating as to what this may lead to. In many years of attending and studying, I had never heard the term so repeated in magazinez. The bible, yes, but I always thought it was a metaphor.
Anyone knows where to find the mention of legal contract in regards to baptism?
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Watchtower Oct 15 2014. Legal contracts?
by StarTrekAngel infor anyone who may have looked at, or attended the wt study for this week.
the first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often.
anyone noticed this?
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Now I am interested on knowing the literature where it says your baptism is a legal contract. It always sounded to me like one. Anyone knows?
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Watchtower Oct 15 2014. Legal contracts?
by StarTrekAngel infor anyone who may have looked at, or attended the wt study for this week.
the first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often.
anyone noticed this?
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For anyone who may have looked at, or attended the WT study for this week. The first two articles of the magazine in subject use, in my opinion, the word "legal contract" too often. Anyone noticed this? Was it me or is there a push to make the "pacts" look like a series of parallel pacts, rather than seeing them as ammendement or complements of each other?
In either case, It doesn't seat well with me when they begin to hammer on a term. This is how all the other terms were crafted. Great crowd, truth, faithful and discrete slave, etc, etc.
what is next? Are we going to have to sign a baptismal contract or be destroyed by God in the big A?
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How did your family react when you made it known that you did not want to be a JW anymore?
by Yondaime inplease share your experiences..
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Funny.. with all due respect to your family, if my sister said something like that and asked me to refrain from talking down her illusion, I would ask her why she does not extend the same benefit to people on the field.
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I very clearly remember the days when we were always told that the we needed to keep in mind that if any authority ever came to us questioning who the minister was (as in we are need to talk to him) that then we needed to say that we are all ministers and never give up information about our elders to the police. This days they don't repeat that anymore but there is certainly a push to separate themselves from any liability but keep themselves tied to all income.. I meant to say, donations.
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Why is the GB determined to delete the few enjoyable aspects of being a JW?
by NAVYTOWN init seems the gb is trying to give the jws a more modern, friendly image.
new website, new logo, cartoons for instructing children, literature carts, slimmed-down books and magazines, etc.
yet on the other hand they delete some of the things many jws enjoy most: the book study in private homes, congregation picnics and large get-togethers, private group watchtower study sessions, colorful socks for men, denim dresses for women etc.
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Is the outside image that they are concern about. That is why we know have two version of the WT magazine. The watered down version to appeal to potential new converts, with messages of happiness and religious freedon like you never experienced before. And then there is the hardcode study version, the one meant to control. You would not make any new converts with the latter. The cartoons are also aim to make new converts, not only on the outside but also in the inside, to help indoctrinate children and create brand loyalty.
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How to capitalise on recent unwise appointment with my wife.
by disposable hero of hypocrisy ina brother was appointed recently in the cong, he's got a dodgy history, doesn't really have the respect of many in the cong.
it's surprising to me, but i don't really care, good for him.
my wife, on the other hand, is angry!
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It isn't enough to make it evident that the appointment was flawed and no HS involved... anyone would tell you that this is normal and that if he does not deserve to be there Jehovah would remove him in due time. Which is crap too, but you know this above statement is true in JW land. However, the bad appoinment will be compounded with the time factor. How long will this guy remain as an elder and what would his behavior be during the assignment. If he makes a sudden change an begins to appear respectable, then everyone will definitely seal him as picked by HS.. But if he screws up as an elder and remains appointed, then you have a much stronger case.
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New theory on GB or the mysterious people who profit from all the money going to the WT
by EndofMysteries inwith all the money grabs and shady things going on, you wonder how can they actually believe they are representing god and even believe in god and still be doing these things.. then i thought, what if a trend started awhile back, people who gave up everything and got high in the org, but also since they got high up, they were privy and learned things that convinced them it was a lie.
now if they remained believers, they may end up like ray franz, a true believer wouldn't want to deceive people seeking god, they would be afraid of god's wrath.. since as is shown on this board many also become athiests, some could have become so while still in and in high ranks.
at this point they think of their options, a. leave, screwed, welfare, older they are the harder to adjust and everybody turns on them or b. kind of shady but the org and everyone put them in this position and they will turn on them in a heartbeat with no remorse so he is going to beat them to it and insure the rest of his/their lives are well taken care of and going to get rich off it.. so those higher ups who turn athiest opt for option b since they don't believe in any god and since the whole org will turn on them for disagreeing and not believing and leave them with nothing, they will instead keep working their way up, start companies for the things wt already buys, turn it into a big cash cow for themselves.
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It seems to me that Franz was much more worried about the spiritual concerns rather than the financial. Every JW would argue (and I know they do so to protect their cognitive issues) that is almost required for a religion to be registered as a business and that therefore they have to do what the system allows them to in order to exist. Whatever shady business that Franz may have known about, he may have considered to be part of the org strategy to accomplish what they needed. As far as I can read, Franz did not speak of the GB as evil men. He actually felt they were sincere in their desire but had parted from searching truth in the name of institualization.
To me, there is no reason to believe that Franz exposed everything he knew. I think he just exposed the parts that he thought were concerning for those seeking biblical truth. Some of us would argue that the financials or any shady transactions are important regarding our spirituality. I am one of them, but that is not the same for everyone. Including Franz