StarTrekAngel

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  What if one of the GB members suddenly needed blood?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is not much to be analyzed.

  in a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself.

  he would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin.

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  StarTrekAngel

  There is an easy way to do that... go to other threads.
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  What if one of the GB members suddenly needed blood?

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  there is not much to be analyzed.

  in a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself.

  he would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin.

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  StarTrekAngel

  There is not much to be analyzed. In a cult enviromment the leader will always look up for himself. He would never hesitate to break every rule to save his own skin. This most likely will and should, by definition, extend to health as well. I am sure that if such situation came up, then he would uphold his right to make a choice that fits his consciousness. Even if that means taking blood and loosing his privileges in the process. Although that would speak mountains of the true strength of his faith, many witnesses would probably see this as if Jehovah is cleaning the ranks of the GB.

  However, would they or what if they were to be subjected to the same pressure as everyone else is? What if the HLC gets there first and enforces the no blood card. Point is, would there be any situation where his wishes are handled by a third party that bears no consequence on the outcome and have them think "I am at the hand of this nut-jobs who believed everything we ever told them and now my life is in their hands and they are ready to let me die"
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  HLC and privacy rights

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago i used to work at a hospital.

  when my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if i could look up information for them regarding their health.

  i always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration.

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  So, in a nutshell, If people sued hospitals more often over violation of privacy rights, this would potentially stop. Not that this is 100% the hospital's responsibility but they sure could help the situation in some cases may be even save a life.
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  HLC and privacy rights

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some time ago i used to work at a hospital.

  when my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if i could look up information for them regarding their health.

  i always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration.

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  StarTrekAngel

  Some time ago I used to work at a hospital. When my family members would receive treatment at this place, often times they would ask me if I could look up information for them regarding their health. I always had to tell them that privacy laws did not allow me to bypass the hospital's administration. If they needed information, even if they were entitled to it, they needed to go or call the place. I was in IT and I could not do this for them ( I did have access to the data). In one occasion, the said patient was my own kid. After getting some blood work done, I was anxious to know the results. I walked over to the lab and ID'd myself as the parent. They lab refused to give me the results because the doctor had not reviewed them yet. All I had to do was walk over to my office and pulled them up in my computer. Yet, technically I was not allowed to do this and if caught I could get fired.

  My question then is, how does the HLC force themselves into hospitals and begin to get involved in the health matters of witnesses? I know the patient may allow a third party to be involved but I read somewhere that witnesses are wary of even taking blood in secret, for fear that the HLC may find out.
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  News article

  by SkyGreen in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.lohud.com/story/news/investigations/2016/10/26/shawangunk-religious-exemptions/91902022/.

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  So the Watchtower did not really move to Warwick because Jehovah told them to... It was more like everyone else is doing it so there might be a good reason.
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  Imperfect Spiritual Food

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the feb 2017 wt is being reviewed here because of the "neither inspired nor infallible" potential of the gb.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6237447308443648/major-doctrinal-changes-must-on-way.

  this indeed has been stated in the past.. an equally interesting phrase in that paragraph is: "of course, jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.".

  again, wt is using the "jesus never said" line.. what would make more sense is: "jesus never said that the food would be imperfect or harmless.".

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  I think I figured it out... do not read that article. It is designed to eliminate apostasy by means of causing strokes due to the irony of the whole f.... thing.
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  Imperfect Spiritual Food

  by berrygerry in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the feb 2017 wt is being reviewed here because of the "neither inspired nor infallible" potential of the gb.. https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6237447308443648/major-doctrinal-changes-must-on-way.

  this indeed has been stated in the past.. an equally interesting phrase in that paragraph is: "of course, jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food.".

  again, wt is using the "jesus never said" line.. what would make more sense is: "jesus never said that the food would be imperfect or harmless.".

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  If no one is going to say it... I will.

  CRIMINAL!

  Love the quotes by the way

  An equally interesting phrase in that paragraph is: "Of course, Jesus did not tell us that his faithful slave would produce perfect spiritual food."
  Again, WT is using the "Jesus never said" line.
  What would make more sense is: "Jesus never said that the food would be imperfect or harmless."
  And, Feb 15, 1981 WT states: "Jehovah is not pleased if we receive that food as though it might contain something harmful."

  Wasn't there another magazine where they basically stated that it would not be wise to drink a glass of water if we knew it was just "a little" poisoned?
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  Why take it personally?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a random thought occurred to me today.. i actually feel genuinely sorry for witnesses who cut contact with ones they feel are no longer "spiritual" .. they do this based not on anything that the person has actually done to them personally, but due to an imposed view from the society.. it must play havoc with their inner conscience as they try and reconcile that the person they cut off has not actually done anything to harm them, but they have to view them as evil.. it reminded me of this thread i started some time back.

  https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5751633187176448/all-my-friends-organisation.

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  I believe it is ok to not take personally as if the person is doing this to you in full knowledge of what is involved. However, it is unacceptable in my view, and in the whole sense of the word, to allow this mofos to put a weight in your and/or their lives for the sole purpose of their own benefit. It is wrong for them to shun you just as much as, if not more, than for you to shun them. Besides, if you make it clear that you are shunning them as well, it does nothing but to reinforce the teaching that you are a bad person.
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  Columbia's Wiwa tribe fight back against J.W.s

  by BluesBrother in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  a story i found on google news .

  i cannot vouch for it's journalistic accuracy , but it is still interesting.. in an act of self-determination, the wiwa tribe expelled the religious organization for contributing to their “cultural and spiritual extermination.

  "the wiwa indigenous community in colombia has expelled a group of missionaries from a church built by jehovah's witnesses inside their territory, which had been perceived as a threat to the culture, traditions and beliefs of the group.. .

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  StarTrekAngel

  The news is echoing across several other spanish newspapers in South America. Apparently JWs were not the only ones getting DFd and shunned by this tribe. I've always wondered how this type of missionary work actually ended since ever reading experiences in the yearbooks.
  
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  Fox News article - Eloise Dupuis

  by OrphanCrow in

  1. watchtower
  2. medical

  http://www.foxnews.com/health/2016/10/24/after-new-moms-death-jehovahs-witnesses-take-heat.html.

  after new mom's death, jehovah's witnesses take heat.

  a quebec coroner opened an inquest, but health minister gaetan barrette said dupuis made the choice on her own.

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  StarTrekAngel

  They should have been in our last assembly where a drama representing a brother consulting elders on this very topic was shown. The elder said "Before I can say yes (to the medical treatment in question), I need to know the details..." (perfect example of elders making medical decisions for a third person)