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  old literature

  by lildev in

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  whoot whoot.

  whole family i da'd last summer now my daughter.

  it is such a huge relief.

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  A few years ago, when I learned TTATT, the bound volumes got moved into the garage. My child, (who loves old books), is attending meetings with my ex. As I find contradictory paragraphs and articles, I draw attention to the damming passages with a post-it and highlighter. *IF* my child choses to walk in the way of JW's, my gift for his decision will be all the old 'collectable' literature. :)
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  its time i say howdy

  by lildev in

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  thank u for all who post on here jwfacts and ex jw utubers.

  u have really helped me to see the truth about the truth.

  i da`d last summer.

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  4thgen

  Howdy there lildev. Welcome!
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  Ironic: g73 2/8 p. 4 The Wisdom of Admitting a Mistake

  by 4thgen in

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  2. bible

  what ya all think about this?

  of course, admitting we made a mistake is the right, honest and decent thing to do.

  it is also the course of wisdom.

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  What ya all think about this?

  *** g73 2/8 p. 4 The Wisdom of Admitting a Mistake ***

  Of course, admitting we made a mistake is the right, honest and decent thing to do. But it is more than that. It is also the course of wisdom. For one thing, admitting to having made a mistake is a lesson in humility. This, on the one hand, protects us from the snare of pride, which is ever ready to entrap us. And, on the other hand, the humbling experience of admitting we made a mistake may well serve to make us more careful so that we will be less likely to make that same mistake again. Wisely we are warned: "He that is covering over his transgressions will not succeed [with God], but he that is confessing and leaving them will be shown mercy"—by God and by God’s servants. Yes, the very confessing of our errors will aid us to leave them.—Prov. 28:13.

  Admitting to making a mistake is the course of wisdom in that it builds in us strength and self-respect. Failure to do so is cowardly, and serves to weaken us morally...Further, admitting a mistake is the course of wisdom because it makes for better relations with others. When we refuse to admit we have made a mistake, we outrage the judgment of others; and they will conclude that we are either too proud, or dishonest, or too stupidto recognize that we made a mistake—all of which may well cause a barrier to come between us and those around us....
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  You're Invited: 100 Year Anniversary Party- 10/1/2014?

  by 4thgen in

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  2. bible

  have you gotten your invitation from the wt to their big 100 year blow-out to celebrate the reign of christ?

  it should be a very swank affair, especially with all the billions of dollars they have on hand.

  it should be a doozy!

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  Have you gotten your invitation from the WT to their big 100 year blow-out to celebrate the Reign of Christ? It should be a very swank affair, especially with all the billions of dollars they have on hand. It should be a doozy! After all, we've waited and toiled 100 years to celebrate this magnificent event.
  
  The only thing that concerns me on the guest list, since there are people that were around at the start of the reign, (you know those that would not die before the end came).... Golly, they maybe close to the 100 year mark...if not older! Poor things, they maybe be too advanced in years to dance the jig at the party and may have to have cake strained into liquid to aid in digestion. (Cake smoothies?)
  

  • All you Party Planners out there, do you have any suggestions we can pass along to the GB?
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  Does Anyone Feel the Ministerial School Helped Them?

  by Band on the Run in

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  as a born-in, i was eager to join the ministry school.

  my cousins were also born-in but lived in different states.

  there was keen competition to see who could do mature things, such as baptism (my mom said when i was 35) and ministry school.

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  Never. To force someone into a traumatic situation and them tell them publicly everything that they did wrong in that situation is abuse.
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  Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

  by AlanF in

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  i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

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  DesirousOfChange; Yes, denial is sometimes easier than acceptance.
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  Jesus did not take the 'two witness' rule literally. He was concerned with the overall evidence.

  by yadda yadda 2 in

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  at first glance, jesus appears to strictly support the two witness rule here:.

  john 8:16-18 but if i do judge, my decisions are right, because i am not alone.

  i stand with the father, who sent me.

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  Yadda....Yes. Yes! Very interesting thought.

  Additionally, if there needed to be two witnesses to prove things true, what about the Bible accounts themselves? Since Moses was the only one who spoke to God in the burning bush, did that mean it didn't happen, because no one verify the conversation? Likewise with countless other examples in the Bible. Jesus talking with Satan on the mountain. The visions of John written in Revelation. etc. etc.
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  Can you imagine the organisation ever doing this?

  by Dis-Member in

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  chicago archdiocese releases child sex abuse fileshttp://rt.com/usa/chicago-archdiocese-child-sex-abuse-976/.

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  Never. They would either destroy the evidence or hide it under the guise of "Theocratic Warfare"
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  Who Was Shocked By the Watchtower UN NGO Scandal?

  by AlanF in

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  i'd like to get comments from people about whether and how much they were shocked, surprised, or otherwise bothered by the watchtower society's becoming an associated non-governmental organization (ngo).. note that i'd like to see these comments because they might lead to some interesting publicity, so please comment accordingly.. alanf

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  joe134cd: I feel your pain.

  Put simply: At first I was confused; then hurt; then outraged! That new fact changed my entire life.

  When I found out about NGO, I was in the middle of my own **2nd** family/WT child abuse scandal. I was so confused what was happening with the WT and the elders. It felt like I was in a fun house. What was black was white and what was white was black. I didn’t realize it at the time, but I was in the midst of cognitive dissonance. I knew there had to be an answer to the craziness of the situation None of it made sense, so I searched for answers determinded to find the truth.

  During my research, I stumbled on the information about NGO. It was so upsetting, as we had preached for years about the coming destruction of the U.N.! Then I remembered wondering about a picture in the Revelation book with the world leaders and seeing on the side of the picture in small letters something about 'courtesy of the U.N.' and thinking how odd that was. Well, that began another researching tangent. I tried to prove to myself that it was all untrue. But I couldn‘t. The evidence was there. It was true. Learning about NGO was the turning point for me in accepting the TTATT and the answers to the abuse quandary.

  It was at that point that I stepped out of the fun house; When I looked around, I saw that white was still white and black is still black. It changed my life. I can’t say I’m especially overjoyed that I found TTATT, as it affected my entire life as a 4th generation JW....BUT I am satisfied that I have made the right choices and am settled in my mind and heart. It's dealing with those who are uninformed that is a challenge.
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  The real reason behind the Revised New World Tranlation

  by raymond frantz in

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  2. beliefs

  usually i'm spending most of the meeting reading through the bible .so my time spend there is not entirely lost .i used to enjoy how in the old nwt you could look up a verse and then following the side references i could get a pretty good picture on that verse.usually the explanation would be contrary to the official jw doctrine.last sunday meeting i opened the revised nwt to do exactly the same thing ,and then it hit me !

  the revised nwt has removed more that half of the references used in the previous version.what more the references they left only lead you to verses that support jw doctrine.this a watered down version of the previous edition.what do you think ?could it be that this is part of their continous plan to dumb down all remaining jws?.

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  Ray: Good way of putting it....

  Data Dog- Love the 'RNWT for Dummies'....that is great! They seem to have a whole series going on, including the 'simplified' WT