Posts by 4thgen

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What the new children of the kingdom look like these days!

by Wasanelder Once in

with jw.org becoming the rage and new object of veneration, this is how the children will be appearing in a kh near you!

any comments?.

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4thgen

OMG that is GREAT!!!!!! Thanks for posting. Hugs, 4thgen

Funny, how the kids onthe video have a similar look in their eyes!

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Would you go to church?

by Coded Logic in

i have an unspoken rule that if someone ever invites me to a church - that i haven't been to before - i will go.

even though i'm an atheist i'm still interested in the experiance.

just like i'm not into basketball but i would like to go to a game sometime to feel the energy of the crowd.. growing up as a jw i've never set foot in another church.

I've toured some churches on vacation simply for the history of the buildings, etc. But to attend with the hopes of getting reconnected to a religion? No. You will find that many on this site are jaded from religion after learning TTATT.

With that said, if you want to go....then GO! Enjoy! But don't get caught up in any religious cult again.

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WTF THIS S*** IS REAL!!!!

by Yondaime in

as i am typing this post i am constantly looking over my shoulder to see if anybody is at my bedroom door lol guys i know i am stuck in a a cult.

but this s*** is f****** crazy!!!!.

w13 11/15 p.16 par.17 -- " at that time, the life-saving direction that we receive from jehovahs organization may not appear practical from a human standpoint.

4thgen

Yep, it's all true! You are lucky to find this out now, while you are young. Learning TTATT may be a challange for you to accept at first, but it is better to uncover the lie, than live in ignorance. You've discovered the REAL Truth.

Go easy on your parents, they MAY not know TTATT.

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Please help....in a dilemma..

by crazyhorse in

please help with this: when i was in college, there was a lot of talk about university and how all who pursue that are wasting their time and all that.

even before going to uni, there was a lot of pressurr on me concerning my decision.

during that time, two elders sat with me for appointment as ms and asked me if i have freedom of speech in the org since i'm going to uni and i said no.

4thgen

RUN!

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An important message from a PRACTICING Jehovah's witness

by Sparks in

jw
friends

hi, i am also a practicing jehovah's witness and very proud of it,to say the very-very least..!

i am a middle-aged man with many decades of being a witness of jehovah god in england.. this important letter is personally to you, just as many of the bible's 88 letters are to be taken personal by you the reader.

i am writing to you to urge you to take stock of your life, think what your future holds for you.

4thgen

So how much time did you get in by typing that? Didn't you want to stand by the trolley?

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You ought to know positively the appearance of your flock

by leaving_quietly in

this famous line from proverbs 27:23 (in the old nwt) is used for elders and the organization to justify field service reports.

but, what is this verse talking about?

is it about overseers in the congregation?

4thgen

Interesting....23You should know well the appearance of your flock. Take good care of your sheep,
24 For wealth does not last forever,

I guess the elders got to know that appearance of the flocks $$$$ when they requested monthly donations!

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Watchtower transformation to JW.org - step by step TTATT recap

by 4thgen in

the watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control.

jwn has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the watchtower into jw.org.

please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts.

4thgen

Hi Data, Regional....Humph...you are right, what a scam!

LP97: Absolutely! Your comment made me think about the scripture (or was it a proverbs) about dealing treacherously with a person when they are dwelling in peace with us. It's is abhorant what the WT is doing to the unknowing flock!

Steve, You made me laugh....vicious terrier to Russell's cuddlesome toy dog. I agree, there most likely not be any growth....just contraction. Only the ignorant would worship a website! I guess, change had to come with time. If they didn't update into the internet age, it would be a has-been religion. (It is already to those of us who know TTATT.)

Thanks for posting.

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Watchtower transformation to JW.org - step by step TTATT recap

by 4thgen in

the watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control.

jwn has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the watchtower into jw.org.

please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts.

4thgen

The Watchtower has been making cunning and calculated changes in the organization to gain more money, power and control. JWN has a multitude of posts on the rapid metamorphosis of the Watchtower into JW.org. Please feel free to comment and interject your thoughts. This list is certainly not definitive. What is missing? What other changes do you see coming?

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SETTING THE STAGE: The controversial ‘mentally diseased’ article, followed by the subsequent articles relating to being blindly faithful: Regardless if it makes sense from a human standpoint. This started a modern day sifting, leaving behind the credulous ‘company men’, who would be blindly loyal and easily manipulated.

TIGHTENING CONTROL: Only the diehard and gullible would celebrate the 100 year invisible reign of Christ, along with the overlapping generation nonsense. If the rank and file would agree accept that, they could be tricked to forget failed prophecies and they could tighten their control, even to the point of demanding tithing from the impoverished.

ASSET PROTECTION: With the lawsuits against the Watchtower and the millions of dollars paid out as hush money to abuse victims, they began a campaign of extreme asset protection. They built an impressive legal corporate veil to shield themselves from future litigation; while making the individual elder(s) legally responsible for their own actions. Also, the new arrangement for elder appointments would shift legal responsibility from headquarters to the Circuit Overseers.

REAL ESTATE: The Watchtower made billions of dollars with the liquidation of the Brooklyn World Headquarter buildings. They also sold many of the Branch buildings and Kingdom Halls as non-preforming assets. They cunningly positioned themselves to have control over local Kingdom Hall funds, had a scheme for the repayment of renovation loans and got title to Kingdom Halls. They hid all these newly acquired assets under layers of a corporation veil.

Lush retirement complexes are being purchased. This carrot is being dangled for those older ones to keep loyal. Passive income for the Watchtower may also be generated, as the social security checks are diverted to Watchtower coffers.

The cry for more financial aid is coming in to build the new World Headquarters in upstate New York.

REBRANDING: Due to failed predictions, abuse law suits and legal wrangling, a marketing shift is taking place. The changes are coming so fast and furiously, that the average, loyal JW is distracted from the real reason for the shifts.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have always been known for their door-to-door activity. So to distance themselves from their old image, they are now using trolley carts and more mainstream methods of recruiting. The Revised New World Translation was also introduced to make the religion appear more conventional.

MARKETING: JW.org leads to publication cost savings and content control. The promotion of JW.org leads to more internet ‘hits’ and bring their website to a top position for an internet search. Years ago, many were encouraged to dispose of their older literature in favor of the Watchtower library on CD rom. With this new publications list on line, failed predictions and outlandish statements that were made in older publications can now be changed with the click of a button.

TECHNOLOGY & LARGER GATHERINGS: In 2013, they had the first remote annual meeting. Since this event was a success, they could begin the downsizing of the District and Circuit Assemblies for more cost savings. Congregations are now encouraged to purchase big flat screen TV’s for virtual meetings. This leads to less overhead and more control of content. This is eerily reminiscent of the movie 1984, with its cult like gatherings in front of large screens, Big Brother and changing the written publications.

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I got asked THE QUESTION !!

by Tech49 in

a little experience that happened very recently:.

another brother, an elder, and i were talking, i was explaining to him and giving him several examples of how a couple of the elders in our congregation were blatantly trying to run their own show, parading themselves around as "representatives" of the body, when the other brothers didnt know what the hell they were talking about.

they are using their "elder powers" to bully and push people around, causing a bit of angst and hurt feelings.

4thgen

If you are ever asked The Question, it matters not the motive of the person asking, your response will seal your fate.

Make a firm decision before you are ever asked the Question where you wish your answer to lead.

Phizzy - AGREED! The question is for witch-hunters. It's all about sifting and they WILL go after you if the answer doesn't ring true to their ears.

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In what KM or literature were JW's told to not put the WT logo on podium or buildings?

by Wasanelder Once in

in the 80's it became a trend to put the wt logo on the front of the speakers podium where others put a cross.

i always hated that and spoke against it to the body of elders.

i shut up and it was put there anyway untill a km came down that said not to do it.

4thgen

Thanks Blondie. Great post as usual.

stuckinarut2: Great point about idolatry. I remember in the 70's when some Brothers wore had YHWH tie clips and some had bumper stickers. They were counciled.

But today the JW.org marketing is bringing benefit to the WTBTS, so they will probably encourage it. But you are right....it's better to proclaim the Tetragrammaton than a website. How screwy is their reasoning?