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  Shall I go to the meeting? Would you?

  by KateWild in

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  2. experiences

  hi guys,.

  i might go to the meeting.

  i stopped going in my heart properly in nov 2013, but i went to a couple of meetings to support a love one that was df'd and tried to teach them a little ttatt.. now another df'd loved one is coming to see me today and will likely encourage me to try and get ri'd, and i want to support her.

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  Conti v WT court documents

  by umbertoecho in

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  2. child-abuse

  i don't know if this has been read by any who are on this forum.

  i have only received it in the last few minutes.

  it is a good document in that, it is easy to understand, it's not full of legal jargon.

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  Splash, thanks for reiterating the quote: "Worldly persons are quick to resort to lawsuits if they feel their ‘rights’ have been violated." I remember reading this when it came out. Upon deeper reflection on that quote....There is a vast difference between starting a lawsuit because of a simple 'right' being violated and a crime being committed against their person. That is what child abuse is- a CRIME.
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  Flipper, thanks for your response. One of my favorite says is "It's not what they SAY it's what they DO". Surely by reappointing those men, they are showing what they really are inside. They are more concerned about sharing the work load than the safety of children. I agree that eventually it will come back to bite them with possibly more lawsuits as these men show again what is in their hearts. But how many unsuspecting young people will be victims?
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  If you were told today you would die next week, would you be happy and fine with that?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know how so many who seem to be certain this life is it after being jw's seem to happily accept it and be fine with it.

  i am living and trying to live as if this is it.

  i want there to be a future life/afterlife, something, but i see how fast life comes and goes and even if i'm living it to the fullest, there is no peace for me with the thought this may be it.

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  Yeah, millions now living are sure to die...proceeded by the millions that died before and will die after.
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  JW Org Flags at R.C.

  by ToesUp in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  photo was posted on jw-archive.

  j.w.org flags flying at the 2015 r.c.

  in fribourg, switzerland..

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  You are kidding right???? This was photo shopped...right???
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  If you were told today you would die next week, would you be happy and fine with that?

  by EndofMysteries in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i don't know how so many who seem to be certain this life is it after being jw's seem to happily accept it and be fine with it.

  i am living and trying to live as if this is it.

  i want there to be a future life/afterlife, something, but i see how fast life comes and goes and even if i'm living it to the fullest, there is no peace for me with the thought this may be it.

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  Not really. I'm still working though the limited life span issue.....I really believed I was going to live forever.
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  According to Oct.1st 2012 WT Directions- Past Child Molesters CAN Be Appointed Elders

  by flipper in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  considering the fact that the wt society refuses to release in courts any of it's written directions to elders through confidential letters to elder bodies- i thought i'd do the courts and wt society a "favor " by posting excerpts from this oct 1st.

  2012 letter from the wt society to all bodies of elders.

  these instructions are very exposing of the negligence of wt authorities in how they view the seriousness of felony child abuse.

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  4thgen

  Hi Flipper,

  In the late 1970’s there was an elder in our hall that was removed for having sex with a minor within our congregation. He was disfellowshipped and the girl disappeared. (Moved to a different area) Through the years, the brother became reinstated and worked hard to regain his reputation. He was told that he would never serve in the capacity of an elder again.

  I saw the brother a few months ago and he said that he had good news to tell me. He said that they were considering him for a position within the congregation. I asked him how that could be the case. He said that the new CO said that since the incident happened years ago and he evidently has displayed Jehovah’s spirit, that it was possible within the next few months he can be appointed a MS and shortly afterwards an elder. He was so excited at the prospect. I care for the person, however I was devastated at the news.

  My ex was also an elder and was removed and publically reproved for domestic battery. He has been working towards reappointment himself. Although he has not been reappointed, he works behind the literature counter and has various responsibilities within the congregation. He is hoping to gain a helping hand to into a position of authority again.

  I shudder at the thought of any of this happening, but it is understandable from the viewpoint that there are very few men reaching out for oversight. THE WT is in a bind and need qualified men. HOWEVER, although it is understandable, it is unacceptable that these people could regain positions of oversight. Can you imagine if either of these men was reappointed and were assigned to a committee dealing with abuse? The victim would not stand a chance given their background and attitudes. God, I'm so glad I'm out!
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  How would you respond to this defense made on behalf of The Watchtower's Child Abuse lawsuits?

  by adjusted knowledge in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  details of the society's child abuse policies have been published in jehovah's witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines are only made available to elders, or on request.

  press releases issued by the watch tower society's office of public information confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident, "the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time", but would report to authorities if required by local laws.

  our families jehovahs witnesses and child protection.

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  They can say whatever they want, but it's by their actions that you see where they stand. It's not what they SAY it's what they DO. And they aren't doing anything to repair the damage or to correct the problem. They are only interested in CYA.
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  Anthony Morris III goes on an eight minute rant over child abuse

  by Richard_I in

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  2. friends

  this is in the july 2015 monthly program on tv.jw.org cedars wrote about it too.. starting at around 42:30 in the video, morris talks about the child abuse situation for almost 10 minutes.

  link to video.

  i'm writing a transcript right now.

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  Some phrases that were attention grabbers:

  “…OTHERS knew of the problem (abuse) and covered it up” He was trying to distance the organization from their cover-ups. Hypocrite!

  “….the plague of the new morality and the abuse of children.” B.S. It’s not part of the new morality; pedophilia has been around for centuries!

  “it is clear that over the decades protecting children from abuse is a top priority for THIS organization. We are proud of our reputation in this regard.” OMG, Top priority? Yeah top priority to cover it up! Proud of their reputation…what is he smoking?

  Then at the very end, they segued smoothly from child abuse into the evils of having a worldly career. If you listen carefully, you will note that they correlated the two things of equal measure. Child abuse and choosing a career.

  It is sickening!

  As for body language, did you notice he kept shrugging? It was quick, but he did it numerous times. Is he maybe trying to 'shrug' off all the accusations?
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  My thoughts on the RC 2015

  by StarTrekAngel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  having endured three days of dashing attempts at further indoctrination, i feel the need to write up some of the stuff i left with.

  it is just good therapy.. right away the change was noticeable in the air.

  the assembly hall in la feria, tx still smells like new.

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  4thgen

  Thanks for sharing. Sorry you had sit through it all..

  Marked for future reference.