Username: "80,000 properties in their real estate portfolio"?
Interesting. Where did that figure come from?
4thgen
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How will many JW's react ?
by Phizzy ini did not believe i would see the demise of the wt in my lifetime, and maybe i will not, they may be able to ride out their present problems.. but how do you think this will affect the average, loyal, believing jw ?.
usually most things just wash over them, if there is a slight niggle, they use their well-worn way of explaining things to themselves as in "the end is near" or "jehovah knows best" etc etc.
but the huge sea-change in corporate policy that we see unfolding, all construction work stopped, except warwick and maybe their biggest project, chelmsford u.k. huge bethel layoffs, and the lifestyle of the remaining staff reduced to virtual slavery, more bethel closures, spiritual food reduced for the public as well as the r&f, and all of this being the opposite of what they have claimed was evidence of jehovah's blessing ???.
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Warwick, What is it good for?
by freemindfade inabsolutely nothing.... has anyone dared ask what they need this place for?
think about a few things.
in bethels hay day, there was a shit ton of literature being printed, they even need a giant factory with elevators a truck could fit in.
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4thgen
Agreed.
You may find this thread interesting: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/309970001/why-new-world-headquarters
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Lightbulb Moment ------> Two Witness Rule
by 4thgen inthe jw's always say that there must be "two witnesses before a matter is firmly established".
if that is the case, then why is the account of moses and the 10 commandments or jesus in the wilderness talking to satan taken as fact?
moses and jesus were both by themselves in the wilderness.
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What do you think? The JW's always say that there must be "two witnesses before a matter is firmly established". If that is the case, then why is the account of Moses and the 10 commandments or Jesus in the wilderness talking to Satan taken as fact? Moses and Jesus were both by themselves in the wilderness. Where was the second witness to these events?
Certainly, victim plus forensic evidence in rape cases stand up more to scrutiny than an event with one person telling about an event they alone experienced. What a huge disconnect the WTBTS has!
Just my two cents....
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What will you do?
by Defianttruth ini've been thinking, "what if it does fail and there is a mass exodus?".
i have been wronged and damaged greatly by these ones.
every one needs to handle this situation in his or her own way, but as for me if it does happen, i will meet them with open arms.
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Interesting question. Can you imagine millions and millions learning TTATT at the same time? Everyone handles disappointment and devastation in their own way. Some by suicide, others by drink, drugs, etc. Some may flip out others may quietly accept things and move on. It would also be an opportunity for unscrupulous people to set their self up as the new leaders and draw weak ones into their own form of worship. (Abuse victims are often attracted to abusers...until the cycle is broken)
I would definitely return kindness to those who showed kindness to those who were not judgmental of those that left before. As for the others, I'd have a wait and see attitude. If they were genuinely in need of support, I would gladly help where ever I could. After all, we've been there and can relate to the unsettling new knowledge we discovered.
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Watchtower Society: something terribly going on - scenarios
by Gorbatchov inif an (aggressive) real estate fund is stopping it's operations directly,.
and if an publishing house is minimize the portfolio,.
and if a member of it's board of directors is telling the costs are higher then the profits,.
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Agreeing with hard to be Me: It could be a big publicity stunt.... Rev up the R&F..."Why oh Why? Is it the big A?" We will then hear of an announcement 'Don't miss the special meeting...." After everyone is let down or some stupid adjustment is made....back to business as usual. -
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World Wide Construction comes to a Shuddering Halt - Jehovah's Blessing has Evidently been Suspended!
by Slidin Fast inthe chelmsford project in the uk has already come to a halt and every one has been sent home.
the bethel family in london is to be cut by several hundred.
my impression is that most ambitious youngster in the org dream of being involved with the building program.
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The new RBC
by drawcad_1 inthe new rbc now called the ldc.
sold to us as new and improved rbc.
working with all of the congregation funds after we sent them all back to new york and what have they done.
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I also have a friend in the RBC...LDC....they are still "waiting on instructions" It's been over a year.
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counting time
by Sabin inyesterday jw knocked on my door, i was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & i decided not to answer.
they stood there for what seemed ages & as i watched something hit me.
they were here only because they were on the territory.
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counting time
by Sabin inyesterday jw knocked on my door, i was sitting in the office with the window right next to it, they couldn't see me & i decided not to answer.
they stood there for what seemed ages & as i watched something hit me.
they were here only because they were on the territory.
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4thgen
We had a similar experience this week….
My mother is a Witness and in a nursing home. The first few months she was there, she refused to associate with anyone in the home because they were all ‘worldly’. She began to get very depressed and her mind started to slip. During that time, she made friends with her roommate…. I guess she forgot her roommate was “worldly”. She began to attend all the social functions and is even going on outings on the bus once a week.
Well, just this week I met with the nurses and health aids and they said that she has made a wonderful turn around. They were a bit confused about a situation that happened a couple of weeks ago…. Apparently some of my mother’s ‘friends form her church’ came by to see her and when they were told she went on an outing, they were “visibly upset…looked almost angry” that she was gone. The nurses thought that was very strange, because anyone else would have thought it was wonderful that she was well enough for a short trip. I asked them what time of day it was that they came, they indicated that it was around midafternoon. I explained to them that because it was the end of the month and the end of the day, they were looking for ‘easy field service time’ and explained to them about counting time. They were appalled.
So much for the love of the Brothers….Isn’t it amazing that when Mom opened up her heart and lost (gained, actually) her mind, she began to live again and have friends?????!!!!!!!!
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Former Tasmanian Jehovah's Witness tells of guilt for not reporting church child abuse
by freemindfade ina former jehovah's witness from hobart has said he feels guilty for not breaking with the church and reporting claims of child abuse.. http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-17/former-jehovahs-witness-tells-of-guilt-for-not-reporting/6780366.
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4thgen
Gotta love the quote: "Unfortunately, most of them put their heads in the sand. They would be at this moment saying it's 'an attack from Satan'."
Former Tasmanian Jehovah's Witness tells of guilt for not reporting church child abuse
936 ABC Hobart By Fred HooperUpdated yesterday at 8:46pmWed 16 Sep 2015, 8:46pm
Photo: A former member of the church said shame may have stopped him from reporting abuse. (File image) (ABC Northern Tasmania: Fred Hooper) Related Story: Jehovah's Witnesses did not report 1,000 alleged child abuse perpetrators, inquiry hearsRelated Story: Former Jehovah's Witness abused by father, royal commission hearsMap: Hobart 7000A former Jehovah's Witness from Hobart has said he feels guilty for not breaking with the church and reporting claims of child abuse.
Several elders and senior figures represented the Jehovah's Witness church to answer questions before the Royal Commission into institutional responses to child sex abuse.
Gavin (not his real name) said during his 40 years as a Jehovah's Witness, he heard stories and allegations of abuse relating to children which went unreported.
"It could be shame within myself that I never did anything when I heard about things," Gavin said.
"It goes through my mind constantly, but we soldier on because there are greater things ahead to be able to bring about on this earth."
Church offered comfort in desperate times
Gavin joined the Jehovah's Witnesses in his late teens after a few rocky years but does not believe the church approached him because he was vulnerable.
He said he was in a state of desperation for something better when he met a man at his workplace who was a Jehovah's Witness.
"I'd been through a lot in life — drugs and the whole scene," Gavin said.
Unfortunately, most of them put their heads in the sand. They would be at this moment saying it's 'an attack from Satan'.
"He mentioned something about a better life coming.
"Well obviously, being down in the depths of despair, it was certainly something that I could look forward to.
"The friend who actually talked to me, he did it with a genuine concern, there was no doubt about that.
"He was convinced he was doing a good thing in talking to me."
Thinking back to his time spent with the church, Gavin described his commitment to religion as dedicated and zealous and said: "if you ask my children they would say I was very fanatical".
Gavin described life within the church as very formulated and uniform, from clothing to the decisions on his children's higher education.
As the years went on, Gavin began to question his belief in the religion, where previously he would have shrugged off any criticism suggested by others.
"If I'd ever spoken to somebody who was criticising the organisation, I would have parted from them," Gavin said.
"I started talking to some within the organisation and they were very critical of the organisation.
"They were critical of some of the scriptural view points and so forth."
Doubts began to creep in
Gavin has not been a part of the church for the last two years and although he has no regrets, he does not want to be seen as siding with Jehovah's Witnesses.
Photo: Gavin said the church controlled decisions on his childrens' education. (ABC News) "Looking back, there were certainly some good times," he said.
"In later years, we started to develop an insight into things that weren't quite right, particularly with the royal commission that's coming on at the moment in relation to child abuse, but there are other facets in there."
The entire time Gavin was with the church, he was completely devoted and committed, so when the doubts began to creep in, it changed his world.
"If your whole life has been a certain thing and then all of a sudden it comes to light that it's not so good, you put your head in the sand or you get out of it," Gavin said.
"Unfortunately, most of them put their heads in the sand.
"They would be, at this moment, saying that it's 'an attack from Satan' — that the world is attacking the Jehovah's organisation."
Gavin said his family had also suffered from his devoted following of the church as Jehovah's Witnesses did not promote higher education or the celebration of Christmas or birthdays.
With the benefit of hindsight, Gavin said there were people within the organisation who would have wanted to report certain activities to authorities.
"Knowing what they know now with the inquest, I suppose there would some [wishing they had reported it] but they would be faithful to the organisation," Gavin said.
"We haven't regretted [leaving the church] because now we can see a clear identification of what's right and what's wrong.
"I see it as a gain, more than a loss."