- I stopped my studies promptly after learning of 1914 and 607, it never made sence... and not a single JW elder was interested in researching it with me. It was a real eye-opener into how independant thinkers were treated. I didn't realize how important 607 was to them, however they knew all to well, and quite obviously knew that I would be stumbled by this even before I knew it. They dropped me like a hot potato.
- I went to one memorial, and that was enough. It actually appears much worse than regular meetings.
It seemed pointless and stupid... a real anti-climax. I have no idea why they would ever look forward to going to something that only makes them feel inferior. The public talk was excuse after excuse why no-body was scriptually approved by the society to partake in the offerings. I simply pasted the plate like the rest of the goats/sheep and vower never to return to their false worship
The words, "do this in memory of me" seems so simple.
Jesus did not say, "only those that unlock the hidden secrets in a collection of books that have not been compiled yet, may do this in memory of me" - I disliked the fact that every JW witness I talked too offered the same ideals and ideas. They were carbon copies of each other, which offered very little in the way of conversation. All elders were the same, all drones were the same, all the women seemed the same.
- I never became a JW for the above reasons.
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Which Doctrine Convinced You That This Wasn't Right
by ignorance is strength inwhat wt doctrine convinced or made you doubt your faith in the wtbts?
for me it was the 144,000 and the nature of christ's resurrection.
i seriously could not believe that there were two classes of christians when it was not stated implicitly in the bible, but was expected to be believed in as absolute truth.
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Did Noah really build an ark?
by frogit inthis might be worth a watch for us uk ers.
noah's ark will be broadcast in the uk on bbc one on sunday 21 march at 1900 gmt.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3524676.stm.
it's also an interesting read.
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The Earth has two moons (albeit a temporary one)
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994814The Earth is changing shape:
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/releases/2002/release_2002_217.cfmGulf Stream could shut down causing ice-age (one of many sources):
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0130-11.htmDiscussion on Earth's Tides and Conservation of Angular Momentum (one of many sources):
http://www.mscd.edu/~physics/astro/notes6.htmIf you don't believe me in Earthly matters, how then will you believe me in heavenly matters?
What would you consider evidence of heavenly matters?
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Did Noah really build an ark?
by frogit inthis might be worth a watch for us uk ers.
noah's ark will be broadcast in the uk on bbc one on sunday 21 march at 1900 gmt.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3524676.stm.
it's also an interesting read.
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It might also be noted that the Planet Earth is currently changing shape as noted by NASA satelitles. It's getting flatter at the poles and the equator is bulging. Given the sheer speed and magnitude of the change (only a coupla years), NASA is figuring that the only way such a large change could occur is a shift in the Oceans... for they CAN and indeed DO shift due to temp. and salinity. If the gulf-currents get too full of salt, then entire gulf-jet-stream could shut down practically overnight sending the top half of the planet into an ice-age. Planetary changes can and indeed do happen. The moon pulls tides over a metre from the ocean bed and it's 3.5 days away. What if a moon sized object passed by half-as-close again as our own moon? The Earth has two moons at present... although it's basically a small dark asteroid. I have no doubt that under the correct conditions a large proportion of the earth's water could shift to one side of the planet... even slightly so causing widespread flooding.
However... as I said... I am not expecting floods next time.
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Did Noah really build an ark?
by frogit inthis might be worth a watch for us uk ers.
noah's ark will be broadcast in the uk on bbc one on sunday 21 march at 1900 gmt.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3524676.stm.
it's also an interesting read.
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The entity known as Noah made an appearance in the sphere of influence circa 1940's. I don't presently know if he's still alive, nor where he is. (It does not matter anyway). If memory serves me correctly there were three floods... circa 3500BC and two around 10000BC.
The floods were designed to remove man-kind from his own devices, and place his reliance on the Creator; in effect reconnecting mankind with that which he had lost. The flood only occured after repeated warnings went unheeded.
The promise that there would be no more floods is in indeed correct. Fire is next and will likewise place mankind in a position in which his own devices are removed, and reliance must be placed with the creator again... a further reconnecting... again.
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I am sorry
by Big Tex ini sincerely and unrservedly apologize for any condescending behavior on my part.
being an idiot, and expressing myself as poorly as i do, i am capable of the most outrageously stupid posts.
i look back on what i have said, and i cringe at how stupid i sound.
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I praise you, for the calming influence you had on me, when I got hot under the collar because of another poster.
"May a stranger, and not your own mouth, praise you." ? Proverbs 27:2.
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Why don't victims tell about their abuse.
by Lady Lee ina while ago i posted an essay "why do we tell our stories?
" http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=32755&site=3 this is why we wait so long to do that.
in the world victims remain quiet about abuse.
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I kept quite because I knew I was capable of dealing with the abuse. I simply said to myself, "It's not my fault. What he did was wrong. I will never place myself in such a situation again, and I will make sure that my friends and family keep their distance from Person X". Which I did. Whenever the subject came up about person X, I just said, "I'd rather not visit there anymore, I didn't enjoy myself". My parents didn't ask further, and I didn't feel the need to explain it any further. This was on two occasions when I was about 9 and again around 12.
Although young, I often remember feeling superior to my parents; more intelligent, almost as if they were "my" parents and I had to look after them and their feelings. Even as a boy of 3 years old I remember humouring my father. Now tell me, how many children of 3 years old "humour their father' to spare his feelings? None. I'm very different in some respects.. and so too are my reasons for not telling them about the abuse.
I could tell them even now, but in all honestly I can't see the point. If anything, they are less capable of dealing with it now, and I am even more capable than I was when a boy.
I suppose I just wanted you to see a different type of reason for ?not telling?. ?Feeling superior to your parents, and thinking I can deal with it better than they can?
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To all you lurkers !
by Puternut into all you lurkers and active witnesses!
please stop sending me messages and private posts, in order to resque me from the 'devil'.
questions like: "but you have been an elder and should know better".
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I LOVE the diversity of these message boards, the good, the bad, the mistakes, the whatever!!! It's great - people are different here... everyone says what they want.
I never became a JW because every time I went to the Kingdom Hall and spoke to people, it was the same bloody conversation every time. Everyone spoke the same. Everyone thought the same. No-one got upset, no-one got angry. Everyone seemed to be treading lightly afraid to say or do the wrong thing. That used to infuriate me... sometimes I felt like throwing a punch just to see if anyone would react... even to see if they could react!
I love the fact Puternut can say what he wants... I love the fact others can demand deletion of comments... I love the fact people can appeal a process that may or may not be flawed! I reckon this is all good healthy stuff! It encourages things to be out in the open, to be cussed, and discussed. This is very healthy human behaviour!
(Puternut, I've been lurking a little bit and reading many of your posts. I love your contributions to these boards.)
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Cat Dictionary: Contributions Necessary
by Stephanus incats may well live with us, but they don't live like us.
i've noticed over the years that how we perceive stuff and how cats process the same info is often so different as to be almost alien.
here are a few i've been thinking about recently (all contributions of more examples gratefully received!
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Bowl Check - Perform as often as possible.
Bowl Stare - Stare at bowl intently in an attempt to will the food into existance from thin air. Keep watching for sudden signs of movement in case food magically appears from nowhere. Possible cat prayer said at this point.
Bowl Look - The look you give a human, when staring at the bowl achieves nothing.
Bowl Dissapointment - The look that results from being ignored by staff.... *cough* human.
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What is Love?
by dh in.
i haven't got a clue!.
most people have some first love experience, i don't, i've never been in love in my life, i just have a minefield of meaningless junk.. tell me a love story, i'm bored and miserable and it's cold outside.
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Love is the opposite of selfishness.
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Believe me, if your life gets entangled with a real sociopath/psychopath, it will not be easy to spot them. They can be very personable, intelligent, charming until the knife figuratively goes into your back.
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I've got to agree with Blondie on this one. Having a screwed up cognition process, coupled with irrational thoughts and major behavioural problems can actually be very far from psychotic or schizophrenia (although it certainly isn't healthy). Let's try to keep some perspective, lest we let a true psychotic into our homes. They are MUCH harder to spot than a hard core Jehovah's Witness that is just screwed up! I don't like it when other people on this board get so frustrated with certain individuals that they label them incorrectly. By and large the JW's are pleasant loving people compared to a psychopath or person with full-blown schizophrenia.