Let it hit the fan!
Now the Tea Party dominated Republicans want to enslave children! Yet they have the audacity to say that violent insurrection is needed against those who oppose them!!!
by Terra Incognita 141 Replies latest members politics
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Terra Incognita
Let's have a discussion on the (a)morality of those politicians who would return us to the days of Charles Dickens.
Now Tea Party dominated Republicans want to enslave children! Yet many of their ilk say that violent insurrection is needed against those who oppose them! The bill below, presented by Republicans in Maine, aims to weaken child labor laws. Of note are the following provisions meant to "enhance" lives of minors:
1. It establishes a training wage for trainees or secondary students under 20 years of age at $5.25 per hour for their first 180 days of employment;
That wage is $2 hour under minimum wage. That would lower the salaries of 18-20 year olds. Of course, you can bet that those who hire those minors will gladly lay them off when they turn 20.
2. It eliminates the maximum number of hours a minor 16 years of age or older can work during school days;
So minors can be coerced by their bosses masters to diminish their school activities. After all, who can concentrate on 6+ of school and homework while working 8 hours after school. Way to go, you Ayn Randian inspired tyrants. If you think that Maine's pending child labor laws, duplicated below, are bad; wait until; you get to Missouri Senator Jane Cunningham's bill meant to allow children under 14 years old. Now that 12 year old girls can work, what other laws will these savages next strike down. Statutory rape?
An Act To Enhance Access to the Workplace for Minors
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Maine as follows:
Sec. 1. 26 MRSA §673 is enacted to read:
§ 673. Minimum wage; trainees and students
Notwithstanding the provisions of section 664, for an employee who is under 20 years of age who is a secondary student as defined in Title 20A, section 1, subsection 33 or a trainee, the minimum hourly wage is $5.25 per hour for the first 180 days of that employee's employment.
Sec. 2. 26 MRSA §774, as amended by PL 2009, c. 211, Pt. B, §23, is further amended to read:
§ 774. Hours of employment
1. Minors under 18 years of age. A minor under 18 years of age, enrolled in school, may not be employed as follows: A. More than 50 hours in any week when the minor's school is not in session; B. More than 20 hours in any week when the minor's school is in session, except that the minor may work up to 8 hours on each day that an authorized school closure occurs in that minor's school up to a total of 28 hours in that week. In addition, the maximum weekly hours a minor may work is 50 hours during any week that the approved school calendar for the minor's school is less than 3 days or during the first or last week of the school calendar, regardless of how many days the minor's school is in session for the week. If requested, a school must provide verification of its closings to the minor's employer or the Department of Labor; C. More than 10 hours in any day when the minor's school is not in session; D. More than 4 hours in any day when the minor's school is in session, except that the minor may work up to 8 hours on the last scheduled day of the school week; E. More than 6 consecutive days; F. After 10 p.m. on a day preceding a day on which the minor's school is in session or after 12 midnight on a day that does not precede such a school day; or G. Before 7 a.m. on a day on which the minor's school is in session or before 5 a.m. on any other day. 2. Minors under 16 years of age. A minor under 16 years of age may not be employed as follows: A. More than 40 hours in any week when school is not in session; B. More than 18 hours in any week when school is in session; C. More than 8 hours in any day when school is not in session; D. More than 34 hours in any day when school is in session; E. More than 6 consecutive days; or F. Between the hours of 7 p.m. and 7 a.m. except during summer vacation, when that minor may not work between the hours of 9 p.m. and 7 a.m. 3. Employment during hours school in session. A minor under 17 years of age may not be employed during the hours that the public schools of the town or city in which the minor resides are in session. A. This subsection does not apply to:
(1) A minor who has been excused from attendance by school officials in accordance with Title 20A, section 5001A, subsection 2 or subsection 3, except that a minor who has been excused in accordance with subsection 3 may not be employed during the hours that the minor's school or approved home instruction program is in session;
(2) A student in an alternative education plan that includes a work experience component;
(3) A student in an approved vocational cooperative education program; or
(4) A student who is granted permission for an early school release by the school principal.
The hours worked by a student in an alternative education plan or in an approved vocational cooperative education program may not be included in determining the student's total hours of permitted employment under subsection 1 and subsection 2.
4. Exemptions. Work performed in the planting, cultivating or harvesting of field crops or other agricultural employment, including the initial processing of farm crops, not in direct contact with hazardous machinery or hazardous substances, work performed as an employed or in-training theatrical actor or film actor or work performed as a summer camp employee in a youth camp licensed under Title 22, section 2495 is exempt from this section, provided a minor under 16 years of age has been excused by the local superintendent of schools in accordance with the policy established by the Commissioner of Education and the Director of the Bureau of Labor Standards. Work performed by a minor under 16 years of age in the taking or catching of lobsters, fish or other marine organisms by any methods or means, or in the operating of ferries or excursion boats, is exempt from subsection 1, paragraphs A and Cplanting, cultivating or harvesting of field crops or other agricultural employment, including the initial processing of farm crops, not in direct contact with hazardous machinery or hazardous substances is exempt from this section if a minor has written permission from the parent or guardian of the minor. 5. Application. This section does not apply to a person who holds a high school diploma or a high school equivalency certificate issued pursuant to Title 20A, section 257 or to a minor emancipated pursuant to Title 15, section 3506A. 6. In session. School is considered in session if the students are required to be in attendance by the school board pursuant to Title 20A, chapter 211.
Sec. 3. 26 MRSA §775, sub-§1, as amended by PL 2001, c. 398, Pt. A, §1, is further amended to read:
1. Work permit authority. A minor under 16 years of age may not be employed without a work permit signed by the superintendent of schools of the school administrative unit in which the minor resides and issued to the minor by the bureau or, in the case of a minor who is receiving home instruction under Title 20A, section 5001A, subsection 3, paragraph A, a work permit signed by the parent or guardian of the minor and issued to the minor by the bureau. The superintendent may designate a school official to sign a work permit and that official is directly responsible to the superintendent for this activity.
Sec. 4. 26 MRSA §781, sub-§1-A, ¶B, as enacted by PL 2001, c. 46, §1, is amended to read:
B. A violation of the number of hours a minor may work in any day under section 774, subsection 1, paragraph B, C or D or section 774, subsection 2, paragraph C or D, as long as the violation is not greater than 10 minutes per day; and
Sec. 5. 26 MRSA §781, sub-§1-A, ¶C, as enacted by PL 2001, c. 46, §1, is amended to read:
C. A violation of the number of hours worked in a week under section 774, subsection 1, paragraph A or B or section 774, subsection 2, paragraph A or B, as long as the violation is not greater than 50 minutes in a week.
summary
This bill amends the laws governing employment practices in the following ways:
1. It establishes a training wage for trainees or secondary students under 20 years of age at $5.25 per hour for their first 180 days of employment;
2. It eliminates the maximum number of hours a minor 16 years of age or older can work during school days;
3. It allows a minor under 16 years of age to work up to 4 hours on a school day during hours when school is not in session;
4. It allows a home-schooled student to work during regular public school hours, but not during regularly scheduled home school hours;
5. It exempts a minor under 16 years of age who is enrolled in school from the maximum hour requirements to work in an agricultural setting as long as the minor has written permission from the minor’s parent or guardian; and
6. It allows a parent or guardian of a minor who is home schooled to sign a work permit instead of the superintendent of the school administrative unit where the homeschooled minor lives.
And if you think that's bad, you ain't seen nothing yet until you read State Senator Jane Cunninghamlongus' bill which eliminates restrictions on those younger than 14 years of age from working.
SB 222
Modifies the child labor laws
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0938S.03I
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2/10/2011 - Second Read and Referred S General Laws Committee
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August 28, 2011
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Current Bill Summary
SB 222 – This act modifies the child labor laws. It eliminates the prohibition on employment of children under age fourteen. Restrictions on the number of hours and restrictions on when a child may work during the day are also removed.It also repeals the requirement that a child ages fourteen or fifteen obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed. Children under sixteen will also be allowed to work in any capacity in a motel, resort or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished . It also removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.
What will these Tea Party celebrated and or supported Republicans do next?
To be extremely blunt about it, those kind of people are not worthy of a "civil discussion". What they are worthy of is what Sharron Angle and NeckBeard have suggested; for I too believe in Second Amendment rights.
It's time that men practiced it and their wives support them. We're long overdue for one of those 'every 20 year' events that counter-revolutionariaries, like the corporate elite sponsored Tea Partiers, are so eager to incite.
PS: Please don't bore me with comparisons to Alice and Villabolo.
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Terra Incognita
See how Mike Lee, running for US senate, spins the issue of child labor.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrkZKgol0Wc
His argument is basically that no matter how reprehensible child labor is, the Federal Government has no right to regulate it.
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My response is this. If by some technicality, semantical deficiency or any other situation, a moral right cannot be eliminated, reduced or distorted by any legal concept. My argument is based on the superiority of morality over legality. The law, like all verbal constructs is not capable of perfectly drawing the boundaries over which the tyranny of predatory authoritarians like the ones exposed above are always trying to cross over.
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Hence any legal construct including the Constitution has to be seen as an instrument which, in spite of having been drafted for the protection of freedoms, is going to invariably have blind spots and loopholes.
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For example, the issue of the Antebellum South's proclaimed right to retain slavery based on state sovereignty. It is not even worth discussing the Constitutional merits of the case. The reason is because the South's negation of individual sovereignty eliminated its very right to exist. I base that on the moral principle that tyrants should be destroyed; whether they're individual tyrants or a collective tyranny. As such, how the Constitution affected the issue of Southern slavery is irrelevant by virtue of the fact that moral principles supersede legal constructs.
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Now, if children are to be subjected to quasi-slavery by Republican corporate prostitutes would that not, in and of itself justify, civil war? It is my opinion that such an attitude is justified by the ancient principle of just law. Of course, any such war, no matter what originally provoked it would right away encompass a wide variety of issues that need to be redressed.
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Berengaria
Don't forget my friend, that this ensures cheap labor for those jobs. This will increase unemployment among adults, because why pay the higher wage to an adult if you can use a child to do the job for less? It's utterly despicable, and yet those on the right are silent or in active agreement.
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BizzyBee
Taking America Back!
Yeah, back to 1910.
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sooner7nc
This will increase unemployment among adults, because why pay the higher wage to an adult if you can use a child to do the job for less? It's utterly despicable, and yet those on the right are silent or in active agreement.
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Terra Incognita
Berengaria:
"Don't forget my friend, that this ensures cheap labor for those jobs. This will increase unemployment among adults, because why pay the higher wage to an adult if you can use a child to do the job for less? It's utterly despicable, and yet those on the right are silent or in active agreement."
Thank you for bringing that up, Berengaria. What outsourcing hasn't been able to do for jobs that cannot be exported, child labor is supposed to do.
BizzyBee:
"Taking America Back!
Yeah, back to 1910."
Yes, that seems to be the buzz.
Sooner7nc says: "".
Would you like to elaborate? Verbally that is.
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darthfader
Am I to understand that every job in America should provide enough income to support an adult with a family? What does unskilled labor mean to you? What do you think the impact would be if suddenly all business had to pay a minimum living wage of 30K yearly to everyone (which is about $15 per hour)?
Why should an employer pay a part time employee 8, 9, 10, 15 per hour for placing cans on shelves? What amount of training goes into a new hire? I remember being hired at Mc Donalds (my first job), my employer has to train me for food handeling certification, give me a uniform and teach me how to do my job. I had to watch videos and take written tests. All this goes into unskilled labor and costs the business quite a bit.
Side note:
If parents are "letting" their children work in order to contribute to the families income... Shame on the parents for not providing for their children. They should have had less children or planned their financial future. Both of my kids worked during high school -- they kept their money for their own things -- special clothes they wanted or games/entertainment. We taught them to save and also to be generous by donating to local charities. My kids were not slaves...
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Farkel
terra ridicula,
You have made a preposterous claim and presented preposterous evidence.
You blathered:
:Now Tea Party dominated Republicans want to enslave children!
Idiot. Your arguments are as foolish as your screaming.
:Yet many of their ilk say that violent insurrection is needed against those who oppose them! The bill below, presented by Republicans in Maine, aims to weaken child labor laws. Of note are the following provisions meant to "enhance" lives of minors:
"Ilk" is an ad hominem, you know when it is used in the context you are using it.
:1. It establishes a training wage for trainees or secondary students under 20 years of age at $5.25 per hour for their first 180 days of employment;
:That wage is $2 hour under minimum wage. That would lower the salaries of 18-20 year olds. Of course, you can bet that those who hire those minors will gladly lay them off when they turn 20.
Your first fatal mistake is to not defend WHY the US Government CAN make a minimum wage. It is a deprivation of liberties. THEY are dictating WHAT people MUST pay to employees. Show me what clause in the United States Constitution gives the Federal Government that power.
You cannot do it. It isn't there. Furthermore a mandated minimum wage does not make any sense. What makes sense is what the market will bear. If people are willing to work for 25 cents a month, then that is what employers will pay. Do you know anyone who will work for 25 cents a month? I don't. Wages will go up or down depending upon the demand and supply of employees and work. It is the GOVERNMENT that tosses up all the obstacles for employers with all their taxes, regulations and bullshit. Unions, if used in moderation could help mitigate any abuse by employers, but unions are corrupt, perhaps even more corrupt that the businesses which are by nature looking for ways to cut costs, compete and maximize profits.
The elephant in the room is the government, not the businesses.
:2. It eliminates the maximum number of hours a minor 16 years of age or older can work during school days;
:So minors can be coerced by their bosses masters to diminish their school activities. After all, who can concentrate on 6+ of school and homework while working 8 hours after school. Way to go, you Ayn Randian inspired tyrants. I worked 40 hours a week in my senior years in high school and graduated and did just fine. I did that of my own free will and without a government nanny telling me what to do. So did a lot of my high school friends. Did you ever have a paper route, or was THAT child abuse, too? I did. For three years. After all, it is SEVEN days a week to work for a poor little kid like I was and you have to get up early, and in the afternoons you had to collect the fees. Then, I mowed lawns. I bought my own car when I was sixteen. I was SOOOOOOOOO abused before the Federal Government came to rescue me.
:If you think that Maine's pending child labor laws, duplicated below, are bad; wait until; you get to Missouri Senator Jane Cunningham's bill meant to allow children under 14 years old. Now that 12 year old girls can work, what other laws will these savages next strike down. Statutory rape? Of course, your conclusion about savages and rape, even though posed as a question is as absurd as the rest of your bullshit. Stop waving your Socialist hands and start thinking. The problem with this economy IS the Federal Government and you don't ask those who caused the problem in the first place to solve it by adding more bullshit with unintended consequences that will inevitibly arise. You ask them to solve it by removing the crap that caused it in the first place. The Federal Government has a duty to keep Corporate corruption in line with Constitutional Liberties. They don't have a duty to tinker with it with their ill-advised laws when they have their head up their asses. Farkel -
sooner7nc
I hire people at my place of employment for positions that are entry level. A high school diploma is not even a requirement for these jobs. Because of this I feel that I have a very good handle on hiring practices and labor relations which is why I don't agree with dear Ber's statement. That good enough?