Now the Tea Party dominated Republicans want to enslave children! Yet they have the audacity to say that violent insurrection is needed against those who oppose them!!!

by Terra Incognita 141 Replies latest members politics

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  Terry

  "So an unskilled worker who breaks his back 8 hours a day for 30 years doesn't deserve a living wage?

  Where does DESERVE enter into the discussion?

  When something (anything or anyone) is born does it automatically get a pass for life?

  Or, are all living things entirely dependant on their ability to self-sustain in a competition enviornment?

  If I NEED a bath do I deserve to knock on my neighbors door and use their bathtub as a result?

  Our Founding Fathers pulled "rights" out of thin air and attributed them to Providence.

  “	We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.	”
  —United States Declaration of Independence, 1776 This made it unnecesary to PROVE their existence.
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  designs

  Interesting that Congressman Paul Ryan wants to diminish Federal power on the anniversary of the Civil War.....yet refuses to cut the apron strings for his Federal salary, Federal health care, and Federal retirement.
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  darthfader

  Designs,

  Indeed, most "small government" politicians are oxymorons by the very virtue of being politicians...
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  Terra Incognita

  Darthfader:

  "As long as labor is cheaper in China, there will be no parity. All other factors being the same, it will be cheaper to produce goods and ship them to the US from China."

  And who will buy their crap? Unemployed or wage impoverished victims of this glorious economy? Parity is irrelevant. You either set up tariffs or, as protesting individuals, buy as little as possible.
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  SixofNine

  Where does DESERVE enter into the discussion?

  Exactly where you found it, in a discussion about what people deserve to be paid for generic "work".

  When something (anything or anyone) is born does it automatically get a pass for life?

  Why did you make the above comment wrt to this comment: "So an unskilled worker who breaks his back 8 hours a day for 30 years doesn't deserve a living wage?"? It seems nonsensical because it does not remotely reference the sentence you are responding to. You seem to do this often, I can only assume for propoganda purposes.

  Or, are all living things entirely dependant on their ability to self-sustain in a competition enviornment?

  Let's cut to the chase Terry; are you advocating that societies let people who are unable to "self-sustain in a competition environment" starve or succomb to illness and die? And if not, what exactly are you advocating for people unable to "self-sustain in a competition environment".
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  Terra Incognita

  SixofNine:

  "Let's cut to the chase Terry; are you advocating that societies let people who are unable to "self-sustain in a competition environment" starve or succomb to illness and die? And if not, what exactly are you advocating for people unable to "self-sustain in a competition environment"."

  Indeed, let us cut to the chase. Terry either believes those things but is too cowardly too admit it or he is a typical self deluded double-thinker who pretends to believe that he believes whatever he says.

  As for those who would accuse me of being rude let me make it quite clear that Terry, in his first response to me, went around calling me silly and fatuous; Farkel, also in his first response, called me an idiot while mocking my name.

  By the way, while I understand that these posts usually veer off topic, let me remind people that this thread started on the subject of child labor. However, I've heard enough responses to realize the extent of moral depravity displayed by quite a few on this forum. The terrifying thing is that this forum is a microcosm of this nation in general.

  It's downhill from here on.
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  hybridous

  Child Labor:

  Don't lose perspective here. As deplorable as conditions were for labor (in general) 100 or so years ago, workers, including children chose to be there in those factories. It's not as if the companies rounded up workers at gunpoint and herded them inside. People chose to be there because nasty factory work was better than the alternative of basic subsistance farming.

  It's not as if life as a poor kid was all about skipping thru the fields and holding hands. It was nasty factory work or grind it out in a field under the hot sun, and maybe you can coax enough out of the earth to not starve. The evil factory work let them earn enough to eat, a hell of a lot better than farmwork, or else they would've chosen to do that, wouldn't they have? It's the only way a lot of poor people survived.
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  hybridous

  Notice, of course, that violence is perfectly acceptable as a consequence when enforcing someone's arbitrary definition of fairness or view of who should recieve charity. Ah, the irony!
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  bluesapphire

  I find it ironic that someone gets called out on civility issues while others who were severely more non-civil were ignored.

  Maybe people who advocate a society where capitalism is free to exploit anything and everyone should step in line first and do like they used to do in the 1800's, have a bunch of kids and put them to work for the family. Just sayin'!
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  BizzyBee

  There are some legislation in the pipeline that would make unpaid national service mandatory.

  Another myth perpetuated by the right.

  [Orrin] Hatch, a Republican cosponsor of the Senate’s national service bill, said on the floor of the Senate that nothing in the legislation called for mandatory service:

  Hatch, March 23: Consistent with our All-Volunteer Army and volunteer opportunities and individuals’ choice in communities, nothing in this legislation is mandatory. This bill simply provides more Americans more choices and opportunities to give back to their neighborhoods and their country all through the means which they freely choose.

  Full story here:

  http://www.factcheck.org/2009/03/mandatory-public-service/