Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how?

by tec 160 Replies latest members private

  • tec
    tec

    Peace to you!

    This thread has been prompted by questions asked by another who loves Christ... and rather than derail someone's thread, I created a new thread. I do not mean to have yet another debate upon whether or not Christ and God exist... this thread is about whether or not Christ speaks, and if so, how?

    Does Christ speak?

    Christ is the LIVING WORD of God. How can a living WORD... not speak?

    Christ Himself says,

    "My sheep hear my voice."

    Christ Himself calls,

    "Come out of her my people."

    Near the end of Revelation, we are told that the Spirit (and the Bride) says "Come!... take the free gift of the water of life." We are also told that the one who hears should also say, "Come!"

    Christ says that the Spirit of Truth (He is the Spirit... He is the Truth) will teach and guide us into ALL truth.

    There are also numerous examples of Christ speaking, and just from what IS written.

    Christ spoke to Peter in both a vision AND in words. (Acts 10:9-23)

    **

    About noon the following day as they were approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. he became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while hte meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. he saw heaven opened and somethin like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. it contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. Then a voice told him, "Get up, Peter. kill and eat.'

    "Surely not, Lord!" Peter replied. 'I have never eaten anything impure or unclean."

    The voice spoke to him a second time, "Do not call anything impure that God has made clean."

    This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken basck to heaven. While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the man sent by Cornelius found out where Simon's house was and stopped at the gate. They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there. While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them."

    **

    First Peter receives the vision and hears a voice in the vision (which voice he calls, Lord). Then as Peter is thinking ABOUT the vision afterward, The Spirit says to Him, "Simon, three men are looking for you. So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them."

    Christ also spoke to Paul on the road to Damascus... (Acts 9:4-9) He also told him to leave Jerusalem (Acts 22:17-21) and then Paul learnd from the Spirit.

    Christ spoke to Phillip, guiding Him to the Ethopian. (Acts 8:29) The Spirit told Phillip, "Go to that chariot and stay near it."

    Christ spoke to John, granting John words to say to the seven churches, as well as giving Him the revelation.

    Christ spoke to Ananias in a vision also, about Paul (then named Saul) (Acts 9:10-19)

    Then of course there is Moses, Abraham, Noah, Cain (and of course Abel... if God spoke to Cain... would He not also speak to the one upon whom He looked with favor?), all of the prophets, etc.

    How does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak?

    Christ is Spirit and so speaks as a spirit, to the spirit that WE also are, on the inside. There are some examples above as well.

    Sometimes He speaks in words (a voice speaking words that you hear withing you); sometimes in visions (like Peter's); sometimes in dreams (like a vision except you are asleep; sometimes we can hear in a dream what we may not have heard by listening when awake.); sometimes in understanding granted (you 'hear' something, a truth, perhaps during a discussion; and know that it IS truth and from Him); sometimes in reminders about something previously read or heard (including scripture)... sometimes (most often in my experience) those reminders of scripture are merely helpin you to hear what the Spirit is trying to tell you. Sometimes, until we learn to put faith in Him and recognize His voice, we need to see something backing up what He is saying.

    Sometimes we may hear in the spirit, truth from the Spirit that someone else may have shared, and every part of us... blood, bone, spirit... sings out 'yes', including for things that the Spirit (who is Christ) gives/reveals to us. So that we may know that such is true.

    His voice is quiet, calm, sure. Often asking questions. Always speaking truth.

    If we do not want to hear the truth... if we do not speak the language OF truth (we may lie to ourselves and to others to avoid truth)... then we probably will not hear Him. Because we will not WANT to hear Him. Christ does not force anyone to hear Him or to hear the truth, and even with audible voices of people physically with us, we can tune out that which we do not want to hear. Dismiss it, forget about it, convince ourselves we never heard to begin with.

    To help some see this, my Lord reminds me that we do the same thing with our eyes. We do not see what we do not want to see. Until our eyes are opened. How many of us saw what the wts wanted us to see while we were in... ignoring truths that would have shown the wts for the false christ that they are... until after we left? Even though the same words were there all along?

    This is what is meant by,

    "Though seeing, they do not see. Though hearing, they do not hear."

    But we can ASK for ears to hear; and eyes to see. Then listen. Be willing to follow HIS voice over any other voice; including the voice that you hear from your particular religion/church/pastor/priest/whomever; including what man has taught you ABOUT Christ and truth, and God. We can ASK that our ears be OPENED ("my ears you have pierced"), and once you ask in faith... then put faith that your prayer has been heard by God, and will be answered.

    You also do not need to take my word for ANY of this, but can and should go to Him to know the truth of this or any matter. Do not follow men. Follow CHRIST.

    I hope that helps, and may you and anyone who wishes, be granted to hear the Truth, and to also hear as the Spirit (who is Christ)... and the Bride (who are those who belong to Him and also hear Him)... say,

    "Come... take the free gift of the water of life!" May the one who hears also say, "Come!" Let anyone who seeks, and anyone who thirsts, "Come! And take the free gift of the water of life!"

    Peace to you!

    Your servant in Christ,

    tammy

  • tec
    tec

    To answer a couple of questions that I was asked:

    tec, can you explain to me a few things? how often do you hear voices?

    I do not hear voices... plural. I hear one voice; the voice of Christ. I have heard Him in words; in dreams; in reminders; in understanding granted. In all the ways that I described above, except visions. I have not had a vision.

    I cannot answer how often... except to say often. I have never tried to count. I can tell you now that I recognize his voice... I am remembering the times that He spoke to me before I even knew that He did speak... even from childhood.

    do you have a back and forthconversations?

    Not many (I assume you mean more than one question and one answer, but a continuing of that). But sometimes.

    what makes you think or know that its jesus your talking with? thanks

    I recognize his voice, and also by the truth in what He tells me, always. I can ask him also if I am unsure of something I am hearing, "Is this you, Lord?" He does not speak against Truth... since He is the Truth. He does not speak against love, since He is the Truth that comes FROM love.

    He has never lied to me, nor led me wrong. (though i have certainly gotten into messes of my own, by NOT listening to Him)

    If you are also wondering how someone might test something that a person shares, claiming that it is from Christ... then YOU can test the inspired expression as well. Test what has been shared:

    Test against Christ... the truth that He tells you... if you can also hear Him.

    Test against love.

    Test against what is written. (keeping in mind that Christ is the Truth, so what HE is written to have said really... trumps... anything else that anyone else is written to have said)

    (And this is not 'jesus', per se. While I do not mean to split hairs or derail from the point of your question, there are many religions who have set 'jesus' up as a golden calf. 'Jesus' can be whatever man has made of him.

    Jaheshua (pronounced like Yah'shua... and often written or pronounced Yeshua/Y'eshua/Yeshu'a) is the one who came in the name of Jah.)

    Again, peace to you!

    tammy

  • cofty
    cofty

    How is this different from being a spirit medium?

  • Comatose
    Comatose

    Thanks for taking the time to explain. It sounds like your personal Jesus is similar to a persons conscience. "Telling" you whether or not something is okay. Would it be possible for someone to want to hear Jesus very badly, and "hear" him in lots of things that might just be your conscience or inner voice talking to you?

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Popping in to see if this was a question. I see it is asked and answered.

    For grins and giggles, here's the references:

    my sheep hear....John 10:27

    come out of her....Revelation 18:4

    free gift of the water...Revelation 22:17

    spirit of truth....John 16:13

    seven candlestands....Revelation 1:10-12

    Moses (Exodus 3), Abraham (Genesis 18:23-25) , Noah (Genesis 9), Cain and Abel (Genesis 4)

    Though seeing they do not see (Isaiah 6:9, Matthew 13:13, Mark 4:12)

    Some of these examples are pre- and post- Jesus' earthly ministry. It must be taken on faith that we are talking about the same spirit.

    All of this brings to mind Matthew 11:17.

  • Laika
    Laika

    Hi Tammy,

    I love Jesus too but I don't tend to hear audible voices.

    Do you think Jesus tells different people different things or if someone claimed to hear something that contradicted what you'd been told would you assume they were deluding themselves?

    Seriously, I recently heard a very evangelical sermon where a teenage girl said she'd just left university because Jesus told her too, and she hadn't told her parents yet because they'd paid for her and would be very upset. Somehow this was linked to a text about Ruth and Boaz. I just thought this was crazy. How can you be certain you're not just doing what you want and using Jesus to justify it? Like when George Bush said Jesus told him to go to war.

  • cofty
    cofty

    I remember a woman at my church who was always getting a "word from the lord".

    He told her to start a mums & toddlers club. She was very convinced. There were lots of compelling signs to back up her calling.

    The church spent hundreds on equipment and a fair number of mums joined. It was going well and the lord told her it was good.

    A few weeks later the lord told her to get a job and stop doing mums & toddlers.

    The church was pi$$ed off.

  • Laika
    Laika

    Cofty, whenever someone used to say 'the Lord told me' was there an unwritten rule that you couldn't challenge it. (cos you can't challenge Jesus)? It's like the JWs pretending the Convention was fun, everyone knows it's crazy but nobody dares be unspiritual enough to say it...

    Tammy, this is off topic but one day you should start a thread on your assertion that Jesus is the holy spirit, I'd be interested as to how you came to that biblically.

  • cofty
    cofty

    "The lord said to me" is simply one-upmanship masquerading as "spirituality".

  • adamah
    adamah

    Laika said- I just thought this was crazy. How can you be certain you're not just doing what you want and using Jesus to justify it?

    Here's a TED Talk given by Eleanor Longden, a women who is involved with the Hearing Voices Network, a group that attempts to raise awareness of the fairly-common phenomena effecting up to 10% of the population at some time in their lives, where some will perceive voices that others don't.

    Here's here video:

    http://www.ted.com/talks/eleanor_longden_the_voices_in_my_head.html

    From the TED Talk bio page:

    "Eleanor Longden overcame her diagnosis of schizophrenia to earn a master’s in psychology and demonstrate that the voices in her head were “a sane reaction to insane circumstances.

    Despite what traditional medicine may opine, Eleanor Longden isn’t crazy -- and neither are many other people who hear voices in their heads. In fact, the psychic phenomenon is a “creative and ingenious survival strategy” that should be seen “not as an abstract symptom of illness to be endured, but as complex, significant, and meaningful experience to be explored,” the British psychology researcher says.

    Longden spent many years in the psychiatric system before earning a BSc and an MSc in psychology, the highest classifications ever granted by the University of Leeds, England. Today she is studying for her PhD, and lectures and writes about recovery-oriented approaches to psychosis, dissociation and complex trauma."

    She's written a book on her experience:

    http://www.ted.com/pages/tedbooks_library#EleanorLongden

    There's local chapters in 26 countries around the Globe, even with international conferences heald for voice hearers:

    http://www.intervoiceonline.org/

    Adam

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