Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how? (page 6)

jgnat

A Hindu disciple may pray to his (living) guru.

Why don't you re-read, Cofty. Maybe even go line by line as i do with posts, so i know that you are not ignoring that which defeats your point. Please also answer the questions I asked of you. Until you do so, then there is no point in continuing with YOUR 'bluster'. Because if you want to believe that Peter, Paul, John, all the apostles, all the disciples, all the prophets and men of old who hear Christ and/or God... are also spirit mediums, then go right ahead. At least you will have admitted that there is no difference between one who heard Christ then... and one who hears Christ now.

But I will repost my words so that you have them available:

As my Lord said during our (yours and mine) last conversation, a spirit medium channels the dead.

Christ is alive.

In addition to the above, Christ does not NEED a medium speak to anyone, nor does anyone need a medium to speak to Him. There is no mediator between man and Christ. There is one mediator between man and God, and that is Christ.

Peace to you,

tammy

tec

tec: a few verses to think about col 2:9 wrote years after jesus was raised:present tense "bodily" 1 tim 2:5 for there "is" one mediator.....a man. and acts 17:31 future the world will be judged by a man. when the bible says we will be like him. jesus is in a glorifeid body. still in physical form

Glorified body IS the spirit body. Not trapped in either form, but able to move between the spiritual realm and the physical realm. (I have a post somewhere on this... called putting on and taking off the flesh; you can check that out if you like)

Paul spoke about two bodies also, Unstop.

Peace,

tammy

adamah

So by TEC's logic, a 'spirit medium' can automatically be assumed to be a fake, since the term applies ONLY to those who claim to hear the voices of dead mortals (and their souls are in Gehenna/Sheol, so they're incommunicato, or out of cell-phone range).

But anyone who hears spirits in Heaven and passes along their words cannot be called a 'spirit medium', since a spirit in Heaven is alive?

Huh, then why does Deuteronomy 18:10-13 (NIV) say this?

Let no one be found among you who sacrifices his son or daughter in the fire, who practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.

It specifically prohibits mediums or spiritists, BUT ALSO SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS those who consult the dead.

So TEC, why is Deuteronomy written that way, if you're saying they're all the same thing? And more importantly, why does it prohibit mediums or spiritists?

Adam

tec

No ma'am those were sincere simple question. With all due respect you just answered with a lot of nothing.

No riddles, no paradoxes, no metaphors, just simple answers. With all due respect, looks like you have NO idea of what are you talking about, or you are trying to "weasel" your way out of this one. Just ask your deity to answer the questions in the way only he knows I will understand.

Love, I did not write any riddles or metaphors. Just simple, truthful, answers to your simple questions. If you want to hear from my Lord, then YOU ask Him. But understand this... He answers with Truth. If you cannot receive truth, then you may not hear Him. Peace to you, tammy

tec

Why don't you answer my question to you, Adamah... still waiting for Cofty to do the same. Not holding my breath on either of you, mind you.

Or instead of taking issue with me... answer these questions: Why were prophets not considered spirit mediums? Why was Moses and Aaron, or Abraham, or any of the apostles, or Paul or Ananias, or any of the disciples or prophets/prophetesses (I will pour out my spirit on your sons and daughters, and your sons will see visions and your old men will dream, dreams)... not considered spirit mediums?

Peace,

tammy

Comatose

Simply because if you were Jewish and claimed to speak for Jehovah then you became a prophet. If you were a non Jew then you were a spirit medium. Burn her alive!!!

adamah

You didn't answer my question about Deuteronomy, I see?

TEC SAID- Or instead of taking issue with me... answer these questions: Why were prophets not considered spirit mediums? Why was Moses and Aaron, or Abraham, or any of the apostles, or Paul or Ananias, or any of the disciples or prophets/prophetesses (I will pour out my spirit on your sons and daughters, and your sons will see visions and your old men will dream, dreams)... considered spirit mediums?

Oh, I dunno, perhaps for the same reason the JW's GB can claim to be the spirit-directed organization of Jehovah? BECAUSE TALK IS CHEAP?

It's ALL about power and control, and if you're the one in charge (eg Moses, Paul, etc) or the one writing the OT/NT narrative, then you can write ANY OL' fictional narrative you like and no one can say boo, since your imagination is the limit.

But to argue against the claim (if the person making the claim is alive) is to directly challenge their authority and call them a fraud, a scammer. In case you haven't noticed, that's the ENTIRE story of Joseph Smith, L Ron Hubbard, the GB, the Pope, etc, and it generally hasn't ended well with the heretics.

The hearing the voice of God or Jesus is the oldest scam in the (Holy) Book, as anyone can claim to hear ANYTHING and then run it up a flag to see if others salute (or pray).

Adam

cofty

Tammy - Anybody reading this thread will see your intellectual dishonesty has reached new heights.

All my questions remain unanswered.

By any definition you are a spirit medium.

tec

Yes, I was pretty sure you would not answer, Cofty, as that might be a bit too illuminating.

The hearing the voice of God or Jesus is the oldest scam in the (Holy) Book, as anyone can claim to hear ANYTHING and then run it up a flag to see if others salute (or pray).

And you have missed... or ignored... or perhaps your eyes did not see... where I said to go ahead and challenge and test what anyone claims... against Christ, against love, against what is written.

Now, as an atheist... I assume you are attempting to challenge that there is a Spirit that speaks AT ALL. But this thread is not about whether or not God and Christ EXIST, and i will not get drawn into that. There are plenty of threads for those.

(oh, and read that verse from deuteronomy again please... one who practices divination, sorcery, casts omens and spells... lol... IS a witch... though the verse also adds 'engages in witchcraft'. All those things are the same... even though they are listed separately)

Peace to you,

tammy

Does the Spirit (who is Christ) speak, and how?

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