If spirits exist, and really communicate with some people, then why... (page 3)

SWALKER

Jaff...you have to share the info!!! It's the LAW! You can't just drop the line that you know how it works and then leave...come back and finish that thought....

Swalker

tetrapod.sapien

the first person who is able to answer those questions AA, in a falsifiable manner, will be a millionaire.

james randi is still waiting to give out his million dollars to anyone who can demonstrate something, (anything), supernatural!

TS

defd

No dave you are not being stupid. Frankly those who communicate with, so called dead, are really getting in contact witht the Demons. Now thats STUPID!

D.

Its not easy to deal with briefly, there are several techniques and these can be mixed and matched. I'm no expert. The good ones are also quite sincere and combine the tricks with genuine sensitivity, perceptiveness, an ability to read people's body language etc etc.

But me, a mere unpracticed sceptic, I just spent a few weeks having a go to prove it was all nonsense to my magical thinking friend who visited psychics, clairvoyants and the like. He's now a JW having swapped one set of superstitions for another.

I also borrowed ideas from TV folks.

On one occasion I told a friend very personal stuff about things he did and said 20 years earlier, I even described the scenario. I easily convinced him I was using a mind reading or telepathy and he bought it hook line and sinker. After 5 minutes I admitted to being a fraud, but refused to tell him how I did it. The explanation was so simple but he wanted a magical explanation so that's what he gave himself. My sole aim was to show him that if I could do it, why should he be impressed when someone who had practiced all their lives were able to sound convincing?

I saw a TV programme where a small team of people went on holiday and mingled with other holiday makers for a few days around the hotel & resort. They met up after the third day having eavesdropped dozens of conversations of various people and making copious notes. After comparing notes they selected their most promising 'victim'. A young woman who had gone on holiday with a friend following a family bereavement. What a good candidate. For three more days and nights the team took turns to be close to the young woman and her companion, watching and listening unnoticed, and making even more notes of course.

On the last night of the holiday, a new member of the fraudsters team, fully briefed by his colleagues, waited for his victim to stop by at her usual cafe for her usual night cap.

He bumped into this complete stranger by accident, and looking into her eyes mentioned something about her past. She was taken by surprise. He kindly offered more comment and advice. This complete stranger in a foreign country proceeded to tell her her life story and innermost feelings. She of course knew that there was no way he could have told her any of these things unless he had some special powers. She then believed everything he said about her future, without question or doubt. Just one example.

LDH

The thing about it, is--if someone doesn't believe that 'wind' exists because they can't see it, that doesn't stop them form getting knocked on their ass in a windstorm.

I don't beleive and demons, and somehow they just accidentally have no sway over me? Most of the people I have known who have claimed "demons" were just plain nuts or had fallen into a cult where they hear about this stuff all day long.

Stop believing in them and they will lose their power.

Real basic Wizard of Oz shit.

jaffacake

No dave you are not being stupid. Frankly those who communicate with, so called dead, are really getting in contact witht the Demons. Now thats STUPID!

Don't you think a belief in demons is what is really stupid? The adventists taught me the same thing and I once believed it. But then they also were the religion to teach the same demons stuff to the early Bible students.

You didn't think it was originally a JW teaching, did you defd. JWs are just one of dozens of new fangled modern religions to adopt this doctrine.

Well said LDH

defd

I don't beleive and demons, and somehow they just accidentally have no sway over me

I dont know about that Ldh. Reading the foul language coming from you, (ass in a windstorm.Real basic Wizard of Oz shit.) seems to me they have more sway over you than you think!

Sincerly

D.

atypical

People who claim to communicate with the dead are just preying on the superstitious, in my opinion. If there was really something legitimate going on, we would have found out some useful information by now. If you could take a radio with you and travel back a couple centuries, you could convince just about anybody that you were a witch, a demon, a god, the Great Spirit of the Camel Dung, anything you want. Just because we don't understand something doesn't make it supernatural.

For every person that can create the illusion of uncanny, there are a hundred people who want to believe.

Def'd, no offense, but your belief in the demons helps to box you in mentally. The more walls you have in your head, knowingly or unknowingly, the better chance there is that you will stay in line and not question authority.

AlmostAtheist

The thing about it, is--if someone doesn't believe that 'wind' exists because they can't see it, that doesn't stop them form getting knocked on their ass in a windstorm.
I don't beleive and demons, and somehow they just accidentally have no sway over me?

LDH wins the prize for best response!

I've found it amazing that demonic "experiences" only happen among those that believe in them. Even worse, people that don't believe in them, then join a religion that does, suddenly start to have experiences with them.

It may not ALL be in people's minds, but the greater portion of it simply must be.

Derrick: There are tons of holes in the "demon" theory. Drop by the house some night, we'll drink beer, throw darts, and bat it around.

Dave

LittleToe

I pick and choose who I converse with in life. Some folks I befriend. Even on this board, with so many newbies coming in so regularly I find it hard to welcome them all, and by the time I ever get to interact with them it's maybe months down the line.

I like to attend Fests, and make an effort to talk to as many people as possible while visiting. I rarely get round them all. I often am lucky to get more than a five minute conversation with any one individual, and it's incredibly rare that it'll be deep and meaningful. It's almost never about spirituality or the JWs. It's often idle chit-chat as we get to know each other and share a beer.

Unless you're working under the assumption that "spirits" are omnipresent, omniscient and genuinely want to pass on something meaningful, why on earth should they work any differently?

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