Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft!

by metatron 51 Replies latest jw friends

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  MadApostate

  The same types of personalities which are attracted to the WTS's "anti-establishment/counter culture" RELIGIOUS BELIEFS are also attracted to the same "anti/counter" BELIEFS in other areas, such as MEDICAL TREATMENT.

  Russell printed in the WT that medical doctors were modern-day equivalents of "Jannes and Jambres"- the Egyptian magic-practicing priests. In both Russell's and Rutherford's eras, "alternative" medical theories were continuously promoted in the WT and GA mags.

  I have been associated with numerous congregations over the decades, and every single one had an Elder/Elderette who promoted and/or sold some type of "alternative" medical/health "system". Often, I was able to trace the origin of such back to a CO/COette. I believe that this "witchcraft" probably has roots all the way into Bethel.

  I have seen genuinely ill JWs fall for this "shit", and suffer for years rther than get the adequate medical treatment they need. If there was some way to quantify this, I believe there has been as many people harmed by this "undetected" phenonenom as the WTS's blood policy.
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  Mulan

  Well, I can't wait for Venice to check her emails again. I just got back from our camping trip. Venice and her folks are staying another couple of weeks. It was a great time.

  As for Metatron's ignorance, all I can say is that it is a scientific fact that the body is an electrical field. Ask your doctor, for Pete's sake.

  Come on Venice, give 'em Hell!!!

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
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  Nathan Natas

  As I understand it, holistic medicine teaches that the potency of these concoctions increases inversely with concentration, i.e., as the solution becomes more dilute, it becomes more effective.

  It can be demonstrated mathematically that some of these remedies have less than one molecule of 'active ingredient" per dose. Molecules, in this case, are like pregnancies: you either have one or you don't. "Take this. It has NOTHING in it, and it will cure you."

  HUH?

  Based on that thinking, pure distilled water would be the UNIVERSAL remedy, but it isn't.

  Add a little bourbon to it though, and you've got something. I think Joe Rutherford might have said that said that under the direction of the holy spirit.

  The witnesses teach people to have contempt for logical processes. The fact is that all human progress has been a result of man's mind and man's back - no "manna" has ever fallen from the sky.
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  metatron

  Yes, Mulan, I am well aware that the body contains electric
  fields - for your information, I've carefully studied the
  books by Becker and Eeman on the subject.

  These fields are incredibly weak - you need extremely
  sensitive equipment to measure them. Causing a pill to
  'hop' in a bottle would require a huge field comparable
  to a small lightning discharge.

  I know, I used to have my very own Van De Graff generator
  as a kid.

  metatron
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  lauralisa

  About seven or eight years ago there was an article in the WT or Kirap! magazine about this practice - I think it's called kinesiology. A practitioner places his or her hands on the client's body, and based on certain energy things that are "read", a weakness in the client's body can be detected. Then the practitioner can sell the person a whole bunch of supplements.

  Some sisters swore that this was very healing for them! I used to think it was because jw's needed to be touched, like normal people, and the only way for a single sister to get someone to put their hands on them and have it be "ok" was to pay them.

  It was supposed to be especially helpful to relieve menstrual cramps... hands had to be placed below the waist. Sort of "copping a feel" in reverse.......

  It's only water from a stranger's tear (Peter Gabriel)
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  waiting

  Howdy,

  I've taken herbs on/off again for years. Can be beneficial - like Excedrin can. I've also paid for Reflexology- and nearly kicked the woman because the pain was so intense, but it eased my migranes. I don't think anybody here is saying that herbs, etc., are not useful.

  But there's a tremendous difference between using herbs which have been shown for thousands of years to have benefit - and diagnosing cancer at the kitchen table looking into a person eye, within 2 hrs of receiving equipment.

  A sister locally is a true believer of all sorts of these things - including herbs. She self-diagnosed herself to the brink of death. Needed to have a d&c to stop bleeding - thought that herbs would do it instead. Ending up in Intensive Care where they had to shut her whole body down (couldn't even blink) because her brain was near death. Flew her to another major hospital for machines unknown around here.

  She was in the hospital about a month. When they finally could allow her to speak, and she was re-couperating, she asked if she could have her herbs to help recovery. They agreed, and she did recover. And she was so thankful that her family agreed to no blood transfusions. They had decided to allow her to die if needed. (Could have been payback to her, however, in this case.)

  But if she'd gone to the damned doctor for the somewhat simplistic procedure in the first place - she wouldn't have needed the herbs to help her recover.

  My belabored point is that *some* herb believers aren't rational. And when they aren't - they tend to get into all kinds of other sideline things - like I mentioned before. Other herb people use doctors, etc., in conjuction with their knowledge of herbs - balanced.
  And they show remarkable knowledge of herbs.

  waiting
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  MadApostate

  Is there ANY XJW Female here (males also welcomed to answer for themselves or their wives) who HAS NEVER taken over-the-counter herbs, vitamins, minerals, or other "alternative supplements", at the influence/recommendation of another JW?

  I have done so, and every JW that I have close knowledge has done so, and about every 10th one is obsessive to the point of mental illness regarding their health, despite medical doctors not being able to diagnose a problem.

  The "malady of the month" phenomenon is known, but has been kept quiet for years. The only way for such to continue for decades means that the ones at Bethel are just as bad, if not the source of this mental illness.

  When was the last time someone here was associated with a Cong that didn't have at least one elderette who claimed to suffer from CFS, and if so, did it not always also include FM?
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  Tina

  Hi Chuck,
  I was going to reply about iridology,then saw your link.
  It's on par with phrenology and other quackery. I don't know of one medical doctor that accepts this. Thanks,tina
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  Pathofthorns

  LOL Tina. I wanna see venice tell you to "pipe down" again. LOL.. That cracked me up last time.

  The way I figure it, if its in the alternative therapies are used in addition to standard medical science, and the individual "believes" they work for him/her, then is that a bad thing?

  Positive thinking and hope are at least good ingredients to a quicker recovery.

  Path
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  Tina

  Well Path,
  I guess I can have an opinion and listen to others without telling them to rudely pipe down.;D
  As far as iridology,I don't think it's ethical to give false hope,or lie to patients. I've worked with many Docs in my time,and didn't personally witness them advocating quack treatments. What happens is that some folks will jump on the bandwagon of these wacky therapies and will forego legitimate treatments /diagnosis,which is harmful ,and at times deadly. So in that aspect,no,it's not a good thing. It's funny too. That people will use both legit and wacky therapies and give credit to the wacky one when it's successful.Just MO,Tina