Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft!

by metatron 51 Replies latest jw friends

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  MadApostate

  Mulan:

  I was reared in the "typical" JW environment which included every health food/supplement moneymaking scheme that came along over a several decade period. At one point in my life, I was taking over 40 tablets/capsules of various "crap" per day. After I finally wised up, I haven't taken any supplements in years. Not even VitC. I just drink OJ daily.

  Over the years, I personally know of several JW females who were started into health foods/supplements by other JWs who eventually turned into hypochondriacs to the point of required psychiatric confinement.

  As for chiropracters, I agree that most of the old guys were as you describe your father. However, 90% of the ones who have graduated in the past 2 decades are nothing but con artists who present themselves as being able to treat anything and everything using spinal manipulation. I have so many stories to relate, ....

  The straw that broke the camel's back for me with chiros happen several years ago when I suffered a low back injury. I had previously visited chiros off and on for decades for minor adjustment needs. Therefore, I did not even consider a MD fr this injury. I tried 5 different chiros over a 18 month period with only temporary relief for a few weeks, with the problem ten reoccurring. The last chiro I saw treated me for 2 months with me finally reaching the point of not even being able to get out of bed. Finally, this chiro broke SOP, and told me to go see an MD. I fully thought that he was suggesting surgery. I made an appointment with a specialist and took along my xrays, which te MD barely glanced at. He prescribed high strength muscle relaxers and anti-inflamatories for 2 weeks, and told me to come back if my 18 month old problem had not cleared up by the time the prescriptions ran out. I did not have to go back. For me to have spent thousands of dollars and lived in pain for 18 months, I think those chiros are criminals.

  I learned that one of the main reasons vertebrae get out of alignment is due to problems/trauma with back muscles, which MUST be treated with chemicals. Until those muscle problems are solved, the muscles will continue to pull/push the vertebrae. I also learned that a good night's rest will lead to relaxation of back muscles which will allow the back to adjust itself.

  My guess is that 80% of chiro treatments are useless, if not counter-productive. That figure is likey true of health foods/supplements.

  As I indicated in my first post, the same personality that is susceptible to "religion scam" is also susceptible to "Health scam". Due to the weight that elders/elderettes carry amongst the "friends", the r&f are easy targets for scams-especially those that are not easily proven.
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  Mulan

  Great post. Thanks.

  I can add to it too: My cousin, who is now dying, developed muscle weakness in her lower right leg. Then total numbness. She went to her chiropractor, who treated her with a little activator, thankfully, or he might have broken her back, due to the cancer in the bones. He knew she was a cancer patient so didn't try to adjust her the regular way, thankfully. I asked him if she might have developed MS, which he said he didn't think so, but her symptoms seemed odd to me for a pinched nerve, (no pain whatsoever) which he kept saying it was. I have had pinched nerves, and there is some numbness, but mostly it is just PAIN. Then her right arm got weak. Finally her physical therapist called her doctor who insisted she come in for a brain scan. It was a brain tumor, on the motor strip, easily removed. The time she spent going to him for those two weeks, caused irreparable damage to her leg, that never recovered after the brain surgery. Of course the chiropractor felt terrible about it, but the damage was done.

  So, I agree with you on many things you said. I have grown up taking handfuls of pills and I still do. I know it's why I am as healthy as I am today. My father is 88, and still takes about 100 supplements a day, and is going strong. He has lost his sight, but that is common in his age group........macular degeneration. Otherwise, I think he will live to be 100.

  Incidentally, through the "old-time" chiropractic, Dad helped several women to conceive, who could never do it before. Kept one woman from miscarrying, who had had multiple miscarriages, and helped my mother get over a mental illness. (well, sort of) I was his guinea pig, as a child, and had to demonstrate to other kids that it didn't hurt. (but it did.....he gave HARD adjustments, but I never yelled out)

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
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  Mommie Dark

  I once worked for a freshly-minted young chiropractor who graduated from Life-West Chiropractic College in CA; she was young and smart and way too hip for a pissant West TX town, and she hired me more for personal comfort than for secretarial work: I nursemaided her (and her firstborn) through two pregnancies while assisting in her office in her first two years of solo practice.

  She always averred that a great deal of chiropractic theory was goofy, and would not hesitate to refer her patients across the road to their family doctor when they needed muscle relaxers and pain medication.

  I saw, and experienced, some amazing health benefits in that office, and received careful and scientific explanations for them. We discussed the peculiar combination of theoretical mumbo-jumbo mixed into the rigorous clinical studies in her education; I was surprised by her frank admission that a great deal of it was useless in actual daily practice. She said that she could train me to effectively read X-rays and diagnose quite as well as she in less than five years' apprenticeship, and pay me for it, if competence were the only criterion.

  It's important to know what service you're buying when you deal with a chiropractor, and to ask questions until you understand why they are doing what they do. If you think it smells like snake oil, it probably is. The usefulness and efficacy of manual adjustment, properly applied to misaligned vertebra and joints, is self-evident; as for the rest, in this as in so many, many areas: CAVEAT EMPTOR.
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  Introspection

  The simple approach of "this is good for you so I'll take it" is typical. But a basic principle in nutrition is balance. You don't have to wait until the mass and volume of the pills start to equal a small meal, but just find out what you actually need. There are a lot of foods that are good for you, but obviously you can't eat every one of them in a given day. We think "oh, it'll be an extra boost, more energy" - it's all good. But the real question is not the simplistic view of good or bad, but what does it DO?

  By the way, orange juice has very little vitamin C. It has plenty of citric acid in it, but it's not that high in ascorbic acid. You're better off eating broccoli. I'd certainly agree that your diet is most important if nothing else, but do you know what's in which food?

  I was reared in the "typical" JW environment which included every health food/supplement moneymaking scheme that came along over a several decade period. At one point in my life, I was taking over 40 tablets/capsules of various "crap" per day. After I finally wised up, I haven't taken any supplements in years. Not even VitC. I just drink OJ daily.
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  VeniceIT

  OK OK OK!!!! SHEESH!!!! can't a PERSON CAMP IN PEACE!!!! hahahha ok I'm on for a few minutes and I guess I don't have a choice but to reply to this thread!

  If you have NEVER had any kind of reflexology, kienisiology(sp?) or alternative medicine done and are voiceing your opinion that (here you go Path) PIPE DOWN!!!! If you've never tried it you can't comment on it sorry doesn't work that way, well I guess you can kinda like how JW's comment on scripture but you get the point.

  WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK AN MRI MACHINE IS????? It's a medical machine that uses and measures your electriacal and magnetic fields and costs a fortune. In a way it is a form of 'muscle testing' but since you pay so much to have it done no one seems to question it's validity. I used to go to an MD who YES he was a Doctor, but he also used 'muscle testing', acupunctor and chiropractory.

  If someone is sick or in pain and they do something that you don't understand, yet the get better who cares how well established it is.

  If you think that all Alternative medicine is 'demonized or spiritistic' you were born to late and should have been bron in Salem Massachusets.

  Our bodies are incredibly deisigned and are all interealteded. I've had gotten invaluable relife from relexology (who doesn't love a good footrub) and it's proven to help.

  If it wasn't for Alternative medicine I wouldn't be here today. I've gone to doctors who take tests (all tests) and find nothing and can't help. I had a brain tumor when I was 17 that I was sucessful cured through alternative medice. That's just one of the things, I also had severe staff which they say you can never get rid of, well I did.

  It's all electrical, and I have a very sensative electrical system, kill watches and all that. I think that you owe it to your self to at least look into it an see if it can help you, or at least don't dog somthing that has helped so many people. I had severe food allergys and ebing able to muscele test was one of the few things that saved me a lot of illness.

  It can be proven very scinetifically, but since I'm camping I'll refrain from commenting on that at this time.

  Good day and OHHH I'm HAVEING A GREAT TIME CAMPING

  Luv ya!
  Ven

  "The best way to convince a fool that he is wrong, is to let him have his own way."---Josh Billings
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  waiting

  Howdy Venice,

  Glad to hear your vacation is fun - enjoy!

  If you think that all Alternative medicine is 'demonized or spiritistic' you were born to late and should have been bron in Salem Massachusets.

  To my knowledge, no poster has even insinuated that - the thread subject was a pun because jw's are so into believing everything is witchcraft - yet some of them do things which they, in other persons, would consider witchcraft.

  None of us believe that on this forum. I have had reflexology, as I mentioned, I also take herbs, again mentioned, and also go to chiropractors - went for a successive 4 times within the last week and feel much better, thank you.

  But there are many traditional and non-traditional treatments which are proven and non-proven in the medical field. As long as one's life doesn't depend on it - then experimentation is wider. When one's life depends on it (as the sister I mentioned did) - then I, imho, will go with the doctors and surgeons.

  As you have your freedom, so do I.

  If you have NEVER had any kind of reflexology, kienisiology(sp?) or alternative medicine done and are voiceing your opinion that (here you go Path) PIPE DOWN!!!! If you've never tried it you can't comment on it sorry doesn't work that way, well I guess you can kinda like how JW's comment on scripture but you get the point.

  Huh? Are you saying that if we've never tried these things, we should shut up and not have an opinion? Even if we've read about them or have seen what we perceive as untrained individuals giving out grave medical diagnosis?

  Isn't that like saying "If you have NEVER had cancer and are voicing your opinion on options - PIPE DOWN!!!!" Imho, that doesn't make sense because just like the use or non-use of blood - decisions, discussions, and reading should take place BEFORE we have to make a choice.

  waiting
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  Mulan

  Venice......FINALLY!! Thanks, doll, for a great post. You made some really good points.

  Waiting,......don't you think it makes sense to be quiet with opinions when you know nothing about a subject? It would be like a person who nothing about the dubs, saying they were a good religion. It makes sense to me, so that I don't voice an opinion unless I know something about the subject.

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
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  Tina

  No Mulan,
  Anybody with some modicum of intelligence can research and read up on any type of therapies and come to an informed opinion on them. I will personally look for backup via the scientific method,double blind studies,empirical research.
  Because Ven or yourself have strong emotional attachments to certain therapies doesn't mean anybody else's opinions are not valid.
  If the bible can be found fallible,well so can some therapies.
  'waiting' brought up valid points.One that nobody here called it spiritism or equated non-traditonal therapies with that. It's a sad fact that there's a lot of quackery involved in non-traditional therapies.
  
  
  No,waiting(or anyone else for that matter) does not have to PIPE DOWN.
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  waiting

  Howdy Mulan,

  Waiting,......don't you think it makes sense to be quiet with opinions when you know nothing about a subject?

  Who, of the ones who posted on this particular thread, "know nothing about which they post?" They obviously think they did. You don't. It's personal opinions. I only posted about which I had personal experience.

  Btw, I'm really quite traditional in medical stuff. As you have your freedoms, so do I. And I don't have any problem with others who choose other ways - some work, some don't. I just truthfully don't agree with the agressiveness of some proponents of unorthodox medical therapies.

  My father, back in the mid-70's went to Mexico for a non-traditional treatment of cancer - sorry, can't remember name - Laetril? Was given shots 3 times a day. He had undergone surgery, and the surgeon told my mom that the Oatcell cancer encased the lining of his heart and it was too far gone. He was a 2-pack a day Marlboro smoker, and later, this particular cancer was definitely linked to smoking.

  Anyway, the men in Mexico helped him, and explained that by the time they saw patients, the patients had gone the traditional routes, and it was really too late to help them. Made sense. My father came home, and came off Morphine, and lived another year. It did help. When he died, they did an autopsy, and the cancer tumors had shrunk immensely, in the surgeon's opinion.

  I'm not against a lot of things - but I think it takes a LOT of talking and reading - as quacks who want our money abound on all sides of the argument. Just read the back of any magazine - or check the medical records of many doctors/surgeons.

  Btw, whatever happened to the Laetril cancer treatment? And also, btw, I doubt if you'd ever see me with a copper bracelet on my wrist.

  waiting
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  Mulan

  Now Tina, no one is saying you can't educate yourself and have an opinion. The people who commented here think these things SOUND weird, so it must be witchcraft?

  Last Friday, I went to visit a well known author, and herbalist, from California, who was in town, and at a friend's house. We spent an hour discussing herbs and muscle testing. She taught me another way to do muscle testing, that anyone could do, and an amazing, simple technique for my back pain. It was weird, only because it was so unusual, and non traditional, but it worked. She didn't even touch me. I have really BAD pain, and she had to do it 3 times on me, but then it did work. She showed me how to do it on myself, and it is wonderful. I slept so well, I couldn't believe it, and have every night since then. That evening I did it to my husband, and it worked on him. He was in great pain from lifting heavy materials on a job. (believe me, he didn't want to have this work, thinking it was voodoo, but it does) In the past few days, I have done it to my mother, my husband several times, myself of course, my son and his wife, and my cousin's son. It worked on everyone. My son and his wife were in an auto accident a couple of months ago, and have some residual pain from that. She is a medical lab tech, and wasn't surprised at this technique at all, and explained to me why it works. It was all about electrical fields, kinesiology, and endorphins. Makes perfect sense. Anyway, here is a person trained in medicine, who also had training in kinesiology, and is open to new things.

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)