Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft!

by metatron 51 Replies latest jw friends

  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    One big problem with this is that many "alternative" practitioners also instill in their clients a mistrust of real medicine, making them less likely to seek out or heed qualified advice. Plus, the majority of herbs that are sold as "all natural and safe", have their own unpredictable interactions with prescribed medicines, and very few of these interactions are documented since these remedies have never been subject to long-term controlled studies.

    I always groan when I hear friends describe some medicine or supplement as good simply because it is "natural." I want to ask them; "So, it's good for you like snake venom? Soothing like poison ivy? Tasty like nightshade mushrooms? Those are all natural, too."

  • Kent
    Kent

    I love people looking me in my eyes to see if I've got haemorrhoids, and then looking in my ass to check out the conditions of my teeth!

    Yakki Da

    Kent

    "The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

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  • patio34
    patio34

    It's up to each individual to be responsible enough for their own health care and to do the homework. Their choice, their consequence.

    What IS wrong IMO is when one non-professional arrogantly pushes their unsolicited advice to tell others what they should do. This even in the face of life-threatening illness.

    When I had cancer, one arrogant 'sister' called me (we weren't even close friends) to 'just state her opinion' that it was foolhardy to take chemotherapy when she KNEW natural treatments could cure cancer.

    What was hurtful is her willingness for me to die in order to test her theory. It is no one's business what others choose to do. So they, frankly, need to mind their OWN business.

    The difference between advice and criticism is that advice is asked for.

    Pat

  • Introspection
    Introspection

    .. it would help to really know what you're talking about. Sorry, but the fact is chiropractors are not fringe anymore. While there might be some question about having regular adjustments, the fact that you need to be adjusted through some kind of physical manipulation when you're structurally off-balance is self evident.

    There is no such thing as a "licensed practitioner of holistic medicine", therefore the second statement can be misleading. In fact, there is not a specific modality known as holistic medicine, nor is it a catch all for alternative medicine. Holistic comes from the word whole, in treating the whole person. It is a treatment philosophy, and a mainstream MD can practice in this way without use of any alternative treatment methods, it might be as simple as having good bedside manners. Didn't you people watch Patch Adams??

    One thing is for sure, people who rely on the opinion of those they assume to be experts without looking into it themselves, don't know for themselves.

    herbalists, chiropractors, and other
    fringe types

    A elder in a congregation outside of Toronto was removed for his 'spiritistic medical practices. He was an unlicensed practitioner of holistic medecine.
  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    There have been studies showing that Chiropractic manipulation does provide relief from pain for people who are suffering from certain types of low back pain. These are studies that have stood up to review and are quite well accepted, even by the AMA. However, many (if not most) chiropracters go beyond this by claiming that their methods will help with all sorts of problems, from alergies to asthma, with little evidence to support such claims. That, more than anything else, is what has earned them a "fringe" label by many. My local phone book is replete with ads by chiropracters offering relief from dizziness, headaches, and arthritis, and every one mentions that they are willing to help you with your insurance company as well. One even offers "effective cellulite reduction" through her chiropractic treatment.

  • Introspection
    Introspection

    Lets look at this systemically. If nerves in the central nervous system are pinched isn't it likely that it can atleast be a contributing cause to non-structural problems? This is the problem, people evaluate a treatment modality on a limited sampling or personal experience. (which one of us can claim to really know (personally) the distribution of chiropractors who engage in questionable practices and make outrageous claims in the U.S.?) This means nothing statistically. It's not even an evaluation of the treatment modality itself, but rather other things chiropractors do. I'm pretty sure this is defined as a logical fallacy isn't it, kind of a guilt by association. And of course, witnesses aren't the only people who use "alternative medicine" and other things you might find questionable, there's a whole world of people out there.

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    I have let this thread go for several days, waiting for Venice to attack. Evidently, she hasn't gone to the library yet, to check her messages. (still camping) So, I have to reply.

    Thank you Introspection for at least posting an intelligent comment or two!!!

    Most of you know I was raised in a family that lived alternative medicine. My father was a chiropractor for many years, and helped countless people.......truly performed wonderful things for these people, who were suffering all kinds of illnesses. Then he went back to school and became a naturopathic physician. I am trained in nutrition and herbs and a little kinesiology. I had more training just yesterday.

    I have traveled to Southeast Asia, and seen some amazing things done by Traditional medicine there. What we call alternative, they call traditional. They are far advanced over this country, and much of Europe, I suspect, although in Europe they are very open to alternative things.

    When I was a child, my father taught us that milk was not good for you, and that many children are allergic to it, and we didn't drink it, at all, and only used soy products. I had asthma that disappeared after getting off of milk products. The MD's said it was all nonsense. Now it has become a mainstream thought, that milk allergies exist, and are responsible for most ear infections in infants, and colds and other respiratory illnesses. At the time he was telling us this, I would get in trouble at school, for not drinking my milk supplied with the school lunch. So MD's aren't on the cutting edge, believe me.

    My beloved cousin, Sharon, is dying right now, of breast cancer that spread to her lungs, liver, bones and her brain. She combined natural things with her medical treatments, with the BLESSING of her oncologist, who said it would probably help her through chemotherapy, and absolutely not interfere with his treatments. It did help her, and she lost NO weight during the treatments. Her appetite was good. Her blood counts were very good, to the point of the doctors and nurses being absolutely amazed at her. Nothing worked for her, though, and she is dying quickly now, as the cancer takes over her brain. Nothing crosses the blood/brain barrier, unfortunately.

    For those of us who have lived this and seen it work, the rest of you who are spouting uninformed, ignorant comments, are just plain irritating. You are still thinking and behaving like Jehovah's witnesses, who think they are the only ones who know anything. I am open to many things, and am not closed minded to anything, I hope. I believe, and so do most of the people I know who believe in alternative medicine, that there is room for both. If I break my leg, take me to a hospital, because no herbalist can help me set a bone. If I have cancer, I also want to see an oncologist, but I may combine it with natural things. The reason doctors talk against it, is because they are uneducated in it.

    I am going to leave it at that.

    Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)

  • individuals wife
    individuals wife

    Some Witnesses Enjoy Witchcraft... mmmm... do crystals count? I knew a sister in the congregation who swore by them for healing, always struck me as rather removed from what we were supposed to believe in, she would hang them up in her house, carry them around in her pocket and give them to her children to hold when they were ill. Odd.....

    Anybody know anything about the healing qualities of crystals? Or is it just a load of old bunkum?

  • Introspection
    Introspection

    Marilyn,

    What about that antineopastic treatment by Budzynski (?) in Texas? Also check out http://www.ralphmoss.com , he offers an information service, does reports on specific types of cancers and has a few books out.

  • coult9056
    coult9056

    How about motivational "witchcraft".. I posted this on a different thread, but this thread seems to be appopriate. Check it out.

    James Day, a local elder in Lafayette, Indiana is in the paper again. He has started a motivational business called "RHYTHMISM!"
    Apparently he visits businesses, schools, or athletic teams, or any other organization that needs motivation. He brings a trailer full of various African drums, gets the crowd into a circle; then whips them into a frenzy. He calls himself an organizational motivator. He says that whatever message an organization is trying to convey, he can communicate it metaphorically through the drums. (Coming soon to a Watchtower Lesson near you.)
    A few months ago it was front page news when he worked his mystical magic on the Purdue University Women's Basketball team. Thursday, he performed at a local elementary school. I guess he never mentions to them that he is an elder in the West Lafayette Congregation of Jehovah' Witnesses, or that Witnesses abhor education, organized sports, flag salute, national anthem, holidays, etc. It's curious how he can motivate during the week, only to discourage the very things he motivates on Sundays. Did he mention that he motivated his son so much that his own son is disfellowshipped?
    Here is a link to the story in the Lafayette Journal and Courier. http://www.lafayettejc.com/news0824/0824l06.shtml
    HIS PHONE NUMBER AND WEBSITE ARE INCLUDED IN THE STORY. If you don't want to read the story, you MUST SEE THE PICTURE. IF YOU WANT, GIVE HIM A CALL!!!!!!!!!
    BTW: At the end of the show, when Br. Day walked around and shook the teachers' hands, when he came to the principal, he grabbed his face and gave him a big kiss on the cheek. Just what you want your elder to do... Simply nauseating.

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