Psalm 50: JEHOVAH'S JUDICIAL RULINGS (page 4)

ArgCampeon

Actually, I have enjoyed YKs posts. He has very good arguments and quotes scriptures. He has posted about those that are doomed, but it should only affect you if you are not doing Jehovah's will.

dubla

logical-

ohhhhhh, hes "anointed". that explains ALOT. thanks for info.

aa

I just find it sickening how a self-proclaimed TRUE CHRISTIAN who is supposed to preach LOVE, FORGIVENESS, MERCY etc etc continues to condemn everyone who wont conform with the WTS system of CONDEMNATION, PUNISHMENT, DEATH etc etc.

But if i am going to be condemned for refusing to do and share in the evils of the WTS, then so be it. I dont want to live forever worshipping a "god" like the WTS and YK portray.

ANYONE can quote from the Bible (not all the Bible is scripture) and put their own little interpretation to the scriptures.

joelbear

Logical,

Remember, we are condemned because as You Know says, we have left God (the Watchtower) behind.

He feels no reason to be kind to us because we have been taught "the truth" and rejected it and are vocal about our rejection.

That is his fight with us.

Winston

ArgCampeon,

Welcome to the forum.

Any arguements of You Know's that are especially appealing?

Former elder turned apostate (by WT definition)[:)}and proud of it!

Kent

George Carlin said it the best way possible:

"...when it comes to bullshit...truly, majorly bullshit... you have to stand back in awe...in awe...of the all-time, heavyweight champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion....organized religion. It's no contest. Religion, easily, easily has the best bullshit story of all-time. Think about it... Religion has convinced people that there's an invisible man, living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of everyday. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn't want you to do, and if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place...of burning, and fire, and smoke, and torture, and anguish...for you to live forever, and surfer and burn and scream until the end of time........BUT HE LOVES YOU....HE LOVES YOU."

http://www.ooooner.com/mp3/gc-religion.mp3

Yakki Da

Kent

"The only difference between a fool and the JW legal department is that a fool might be sympathetic ."

Daily News On The Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses:
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Englishman

You are a fool if you believe that your partners are not in rebellion against God. Apostates absolutely despise Jehovah, as evidenced by your denial of him.

You Know, you are very well aware of what I meant and are twisting
my words to your own devious ends. We have no quarrel with God, the WTBTS has painted a false picture of God as a cruel and muderous god and thrown in a few "lovings" to cover up their slander. You are the one's who are denying.

Englishman

..... fanaticism masquerading beneath a cloak of reasoned logic.

AlanF

I'm probably telling you what you already know, HS, but arguing with You Know is like trying to argue a bear into stopping rolling in carrion -- he likes his filth too much to change.

I'm not sure if you know it, but YK has been making public predictions of "the end" for some four years now. He usually gets particularly loud sometime before October, then backs off a bit, then gets loud again come November. This was his pattern with 1998 through 2000, and he's quite obviously on track for 2001. A couple of years ago he was so convinced of his predictions that he publicly stated that if 2001 rolled in and "the end" hadn't come, he'd quit the JWs. Several people called him out on that, but he claimed he never meant what he said.

You Know appears to be an unusually severe case of overcompensation coupled with paranoia. You probably know the type -- an aging hippie who was heavy into drugs, sex, etc., and is now grossly overcompensating by being hard on everyone who isn't as perfect as he is. His problems are compounded by claiming to be anointed -- yet another sign of paranoia -- which gets him in difficulty with the locals and, as you suggested, has gotten the Society to view him as a short load. Nevertheless, our boy YK is clever enough to be able to twist just about any words you toss his way -- a trick he picked up from years of reading WTS literature. He's quite predictable, though, and a number of people on this board would be capable of doing a helluva good imitation.

As for the topic of this thread, HS, you're dead on. An apostate, from the Society's point of view, is anyone -- JW or not -- who publicly criticizes it. Officially, an apostate is also someone who fails to accept (even only in his own mind) "the full range" of JW teachings (cf. W86 4/1 pp. 30-1) but believes and/or teaches something different. Just how big a teaching has to be in order to be included among the 'biggies' has never been specified in print. This view was put into effect in 1980 and 'apostates' were vigorously pursued until the early 1990s, but for some reason the Society seemed to ease up after that. Perhaps it was a bit too obviously hypocritical to come down hard on people for disbelieving some things when the Society was changing big doctrines like "the generation of 1914". Since Lloyd Barry died, though, the Society has been rapidly getting more hardline, culminating in that very revealing comment in a recent Watchtower about not "harboring doubts" even in one's own mind. This is a return to the 1980's practice.

All of these things show once again that JWs have a uniquely important doctrine, one that I call The Fundamental Doctrine of Jehovah's Witnesses -- that JW leaders speak for God and are to be obeyed as if God himself is speaking. Of course, since God doesn't speak to anyone directly, in practice this means that JW leaders are God. If they screw up, God doesn't come along and correct matters. In practice, too, this doctrine means that JWs are required to give absolutely loyalty to JW leaders, since going against them in word or deed is going against "Jehovah's anointed".

This makes the most loyal of Jehovah's Witnesses extremely dangerous, because it wouldn't take much convincing for JW leaders to rouse up such 'loyal ones' to violence against critics, or against anyone else that the Society felt needed to be silenced. All that these guys have to do to rouse up JW loyalists to murderous frenzy is to gradually introduce the notion that God not only hates 'apostates' but wants loyal worshipers to take action against them. Later today I'll post an example of how easily this could be done.

AlanF

hillary_step

Alan,

Thank you for your comments and insight. What encouraged me to continue a dialogue with YK is that he came dangerously close to answering a question that I posed him recently.

You Know must fall into category #1 ( the ‘slightly away with the fairies’ class if you catch my drift ) of WTS oddities as they have not as yet investigated him. The time will come when some skinny and bespectacled sharpie with trench-foot on Service will actually read his correspondences before binning them and find that they have actually been tolerating a serious apostate. There will be tears in the You Know household before the day is out.

Kind regards -- HS

You Know

Hillary__Step:

some would actually testify that they now have a stronger, more honest faith in God and Christ outside of the WTS theology

Then, if that is the case it would be appropriate for them to leave the organization. Why should that even be an issue? Let them take their new found faith and stand before the Judge.

How any person could read these words and claim to understand them as does the WTS and then seek to judge through the establishment of 'one rule for all' theology is tragic.

You are denying the fact that the 1st century congregation had authority to "hand over to Satan" any who were judged as blasphemers or apostates. That authority to judge is from Christ.

This true humility is sadly lacking in the theology of the WTS who are convinced that the only JW’s, and then only those with strong faith in the WTS theology will survive.

You are presumptuous in assuming that YOU know how Christ's judgments are going to be leveled.

Even a recent WT, describes any who harbor ‘private views about the Bible’ as being immature. By this definition You Know, that is how a person like yourself is viewed by his masters, as immature, yet obviously from the ability that have to think for yourself this cannot be countenanced as a reality. Can it?

Like I said, I correspond frequently with brothers at Bethel. They know my name, address, phone number, congregation, and all that stuff. In all the years they have never felt the need to examine me. I am sure though that if I started bring up the hot-button topics dear to apostates that there would be an inquirey. Like I said, it all goes to intention.

As I previously mentioned to you You Know, if you have divergent views to the WTS you are classed by them into two specific categories. 1) As a person with one brick short of a load. In this case you would be humored, even loved as an eccentric.

That may well be. And that's fine.

1) but if you would like to test this, I will give you some questions that you may include in your next correspondence with the WTS which would quickly have you placed into the other category.

No doubt, that's because your questions are going to be the sort of questions that apostates always ask. I happen to know the answers to your questions, so why should I pretend that I need Bethel to answer them for me? / You Know

Psalm 50: JEHOVAH'S JUDICIAL RULINGS

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