Just want to gain insight on the overall attitude of most on here.

by stillAwitness 63 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • stillAwitness
    stillAwitness

    Just wanted to reply to some of you; had some questions and thoughts in regard to your posts:

    avishai: Thanks for that link to Terry's article. very well written and I had to give a loud AMEN afterwards!

    Low-Key: You mention the WT teaching on how in the Paradise lions would be eating "straw" which now that I think of it sounds ridiculous but of course there is that scripture in Isiah about it. So what should we take from that scripture that says:

    7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child -Isaiah 11:7

    luna 2: This place makes me laugh, exposes me to interesting, diverse people and ideas and gives me a forum to vent and work through things that bother me as I recover from dubiness. This appears to be all the therapy I need at the moment.

    Such a true statement! I think being able to be on this site has been my own personal shrink.

    freedomlover: like my profile says : "JW by birth and genetic lottery. Ex-JW by choice."

    I like that! I will have to use that one. And I think it was either AuldSoul or AlmostAtheist that siad: "A religion that has all the ansewrs doesn't allow the questions." Simply genius!

    Frannie: and this forum is our "AA" meeting place, the support group we may not have access to in our daily lives.

    Well said!

    deeskis: it's like Dr Elizabeth Kubler-Ross identified in her book"on death and dying", she identified 5 stages of grief.

    • D enial
    • A nger
    • B argaining
    • D epression
    • A cceptance

    Just wondering if you have the title of the book that you are referring too.

    Blondie: still aware that the WTS is still using the same tactics on many unknowing people

    So true! Just the other day somebody had posted an old WT article dated back somewhere around 1965 that of course deal on the subject of college. And I was shocked cause I thought I was reading a recent article! Weird. It sounded like something I had just read a few weeks ago. Shows old habits don't die hard.

    sandy: We all react in different ways. Some of us have anger and hatred and some of us are hurt and confused and find ourselves defending the very ones who failed us. Does that make sense?

    Yes, that makes perfect sense! Even I sometimes get a little cringe when I hear a comic or even just someone on the street say something bad about "jehovah's wittnesses" Very weird but now I understand where that comes from.

    Super_Becka: I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been, I'm on this board for help with my JW boyfriend (he's inactive and unbaptized, but still clings to some of his beliefs), so I really can't say how I feel about the WTS from personal experience.

    I'm just curious. Have you talked to your boyfriend about this. I mean this could be the demise of your relationship with him. Does he know how serious your feelings are? It can be quite hard. Whenever I dated someone who wasn't a witness I always tried to convert them. Oh, those were the days!

    jeeprube: One of the biggest control mechanisms used by the WTS is guilt. No matter how much you did, it was never enough and so we where left with an empty guilty feeling. The further you progress out of the organization, the less guilt you will feel. For me this has been mindblowing. I think for the first time in my life I am am begining to truly feel what the "grace" of God really is.

    Gosh, words well spoken jeep! I know that me personally, even though I am stil "in" mentally I have been out a long time ago and I see that as being at a nice progression. Guilty? Me? Ha! I knew I was doing good when I bought this cute tank top the other day that had the word "LIBRA" sprawled across it.

    LittleToe: Occasionally I can get annoyed at stupidity and occasionally angry seeing others get hurt (sometimes with intent), but that's as far as I take it

    And I always thought I was the only person who felt like this.

    anewme: I'm getting tired of this whole spiritual effort, but cannot seem to stop trying.

    WOW! Anewme. I got a little choked up after reading that. I'm always trying to feel some spiritual connection with God and I don't know how really. I don't even know what God I should be praying to sometimes. Should I say Jesus? Lord? Sometimes Jehovahs slips out and I wonder if that's ok??

    LittleToe: If attempting to attain spirituality itself is an effort, is it inately spiritual?

    Stop trying and see what blossoms
    But what if nothing ever does? What if you live your life not worrying about gaining any connection with God and then one day you just wake up and realize such emptiness.

    farvenughen: My advice--get busy living. Enroll in some college courses, take up a hobby, get out and meet people, travel, whatever--just do something. Before long you will be too engrossed in your new life to give much thought to fretting over the past.

    And this is so true! I try to stay busy but sometimes I get so engulfed about what the future outcome will be. Will I end up being D'F? Will I get caught doing something dumb? Will I lost my parents financial support? It all gets to be too much sometimes. I mean you hear the horror stories and you wonder "my god, will that same thing happen to me as it happend to people on here?"

    peacefulpete: We just had an intersting long conversation with a WI synod Luthern who was "disfellowshipped" by her church after her father reported her for having sex and failure to attend church. She was raised young earth creationist and extreme moral conservative. After 6 years in college she is just now finally letting the facts sink in and opening her eyes to the diversity of human experience. Yes the JWs are backward and narrow and cultish, but they are hardly alone. Maybe awareness of that fact kept us from lingering in selfpity or insisting that everyone around us listen to our stories. They may well have their own to tell.

    So the practice of shunning is practiced in a lot of religions? Anyone have any good books and or/ articles on this?

    atypical: would have to say that anger and bitterness are only two of the many emotions I have been dealing with. My wife, my parents, my siblings, and some of my in-laws are all very active witnesses. I have only recently stopped attending meetings and going in service. I am not df'd, so everyone thinks there's hope and is constantly trying to think of new ways to get me to a meeting or to read a new magazine that comes out (I keep telling them that I am willing to bet I read much more of the society's publications than they do).

    Hi friend! I know your story but reading it always make me get emotinal. And yet so many of others on here have that same story to tell. I don't know what that feels like to be treated like a "goat" if you will. That too keeps me awake at night.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    stillAwit:

    But what if nothing ever does? What if you live your life not worrying about gaining any connection with God and then one day you just wake up and realize such emptiness.

    You'l never know until you stop trying. Give it a shot and ask me again in a couple of months max

    Dave:It's not for nothing that the attitude is called "letting go". I just let it go, Dave, and all the WTS dogma and abuse slipped off my shoulders like a funeral shroud off of Lazarus...

    They don't owe me anything, I don't owe them anything - it's over, finito, kaput. And life just keeps on getting better

  • forsharry
    forsharry

    I've seen a shrink to deal with my 'fabulous' 'religious' childhood. :) Am I bitter? No. If you had asked me this a couple of years ago? Sure, I was bitter. But I'm moving on with my life; I'm not letting my past further define and limit my future. Did it mess me up? Heck yes! But did it make me stronger? I'd like to think so. I'm happy. For the first time in a very long time...I'm happy. I just sorta hang out here to read personal experiences, interject humor (I won't make the assumption that others will find it funny), and just enjoy myself.

  • IronClaw
    IronClaw

    Stilla, you replied to Low-key on the scripture in Isaiah about the lion eating straw. My response to the WTS would be this. They don't believe in evolution right? That means when God created the animals none of them evolved right? Ok, then logic would dictate that lions were created with teeth meant for ripping flesh and not eating grass. I suppose in the paradise the WTS would say that Great White Sharks will be eating seaweed.

  • Gretchen956
    Gretchen956

    For me I've been out for years and I don't really get an attitude at the religion as much. Surprisingly, though, once in awhile something will stir it back up. Its usually something around the oppression aspect, either the child abuse issues or the abuse of power of judicial committees especially when it pertains to women. Thats situational, someone will tell a story about their trauma and it will just make me angry at their hurt and their pain.

    I could really care less about all the doctrine stuff. Once I found out they lied about one thing I just expected it would be all or most things. But I know that alot of others like to talk about it so mostly I just skip those threads.

    It does get easier, especially if when you quit being a victim. For so long I felt like a fool, deluded, all those wasted years, etc. But I was a third generation witness and I knew nothing else. I think after I came to terms with the fact that having lived through all of that makes me the person I am today, and forgave individuals in my life around that, I finally found some peace.

    This has been an interesting thread.

    Sherry

  • stillAwitness
    stillAwitness

    IronClaw: Good point about the lions. So can we assume that scripture was symbolic? Ok, real stupid question but at which point does the NT start? It is at Matthew?

  • jessthebull
    jessthebull

    Hey Stilla

    I guess resentment is a better word for my feeling regarding the WTS

    Mostly because i feel they have robbed me of one of the most important relationships i had. Although me and my mum are in regular contact we interact on a dont ask dont tell basis. I guess she feels this is necessary as any knowledge of my numerous indisressions would put her in a tricky position with local elders etc.

    That pissses me off. I dont know how many times i have wanted to share someting with her or ask for advice (im only 21) and have stopped short out of fear of losing the relationship we have.

    hmmm maybe i am a little bitter...

  • IronClaw
    IronClaw

    Hi Stilla, To answer your 1st question: Yes the NT starts at Matthew. 2nd : There is much in scripture that is both symbolic and figurative. In Isaiah chapter 11 it talks about Christs kindom in the earlier verses. I believe vs 6-8 refer to the peace that will abound in that kingdom. The different personalities lionlike, lamblike, bearlike, wolf etc. will all get along. Verse 9 shows this: "They will do no harm in all my holy mountain, the land being filled with the knowledge of the Lord". My opinion is that this scripture is figurative.

  • Frannie Banannie
    Frannie Banannie
    3 Parts: Psych Issues When Leaving Restrictive Relig Grps- Print Copy http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/57203/1.ashx the 2 nd post has the article reformatted for easier reading]

    Amend that hyperlink to read as follows:

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/16/57203/1.ashx

    Frannie

  • stillAwitness
    stillAwitness

    still waiting on some of you

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