God not only condoned mass murder, he ordered it

by Kent 89 Replies latest jw friends

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  dubla

  bboy-

  oh, surprise that i actually got a response out of you than out of six. first off, i dont neccesarily believe in any of these evil gods you keep ranting about on a daily basis. i was merely asking six what his/her hope was. but since you spoke for six, ill give me observation of your stance as ive seen it so far (for as long as ive been on this forum).......

  quote: I am much happier an athiest than a christian scared to death of god punishing me for whacking off and wondering everyday why god let this person die and another live.

  -this quote is very indicative of your normal vengeful writings about god. it seems you have much to say in the form of speaking against god and religion, and pointing out all the reasons believing in god is ridiculous, in other words, all the reasons NOT to believe in god. (because of living in fear, because he kills babies, because, becuase, becuase). this is common of athiests, specifically those that USED to have a belief in god, which is what im guessing of you (correct me if im wrong). people in that case usually have a bad experience, or are affected negatively somehow by a religion, and becuase of this grow very bitter towards god, in fact picking up the belief that there is no god many times. (ive seen it before, youre not the first). this is called a cop out. i dont like this "god", so ill choose not to believe in him. its EASIER that way. this is what youve indicated in many of your posts, whether you come out and say it or not. basically its easier to choose not to believe, than to believe.

  quote: God and religion offer an easy ticket to heaven or paradise
  
  -i doubt very strongly that anyone in a religion would attest to the fact that serving their "god" or living their lives in accordance with his will is an "easy" way of life or an "easy ticket" to anything. in fact, the exact opposite is true. if you believe there is no god, then you really have no reason to live your life with any moral standards, do you? well lets see, i can live my life any way i want to, without any consequences. surely bboy, youd agree, that in fact is the "easy ticket" you speak of.

  quote: oh geez, it's such an ignorant and arrogant statement to beleive humans can actually wipe out all life on earth

  -lol, no, in fact again its the opposite. it would be EXTREMELY ignorant to believe humans DONT have the ability to make themselves extinct. for all the scientific facts you quote, you might want to research this subject a little more. (or just take a look around, its nothing any intelligent human cant comprehend).

  aa
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  bboyneko 2

  Humans can make themselves extinct, I beleive that. I just stated that it is imporbable humans would wipe out ALL life and destroy the earth as was said earlier. Thats a very different statement.

  Wipe out one species

  wipe out all life.

  -Dan
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  dubla

  i almost forgot this one last quote i wanted to comment on.....

  quote: As for what to beleive in if not God, I feel living life without having any answers makes for a much more interesting experience.

  -again, i wasnt asking you what you felt about "what to believe in if not god," i was asking six what his/her opinion on the matter was. im sure your view is interesting to some, just not to me. of course your comments are welcome, as this forum is free to all, they just hold very little if any relevance/importance to me and my response to six.

  aa
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  no1youknow

  It seems to me that what I predicted in my first post has come true: the defenders of the Bible have run out of arguments attempting to defend the indefensible and so have started engaging in personal attacks against the non-believers. Some of the non-believers have gotten sucked into the personality debate too.

  Yes, I guess we are too harsh on those who believers in a "God of love" who murders babies. Forget about the harshness of murdering babies; I guess that's nothing compared to saying "I'm sick of you." God has a higher standard, and so can get away with murder, whereas we can't get away with a rude remark.

  In any event, all the personal remarks are completely beside the point. There are jerks on both sides of any issue, and you can't decide which is right by counting the number of discourteous remarks made by each side.

  Let's stick to the facts at issue:

  1. Believers claim that a God of love inspired the writing of the Bible, which relates his deeds.

  2. The Bible relates that God ordered the murdering of babies.

  3. Anyone with half a milligram of moral maturity knows that murdering babies is immoral.

  4. Therefore, either the Bible is not true, or God is immoral.

  What do we have to offer in place of the cowardly worship of a baby-killing God? Well, wouldn't almost anything be better than that?
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  Utopian Reformist

  Wow. I am just sorry that life ends period. I hate death and do not want to die nor have anyone I know and love experience it.

  I think that is the key to any religion, superstition, belief system or lack thereof, it depends where you are in terms of acceptance of death and questions of life.

  I hope I find an answer, whether it is through a Creator or through science. I want to live.
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  dubla

  utop-

  well put.

  aa
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  Utopian Reformist

  Thx alot!
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  Rex B13

  Are any of these people baby killers:
  Isenhour, Churchill, MacArther, De Gaulle, Westmorland, Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln, U.S. Grant, Robert E. Lee?
  What happened in Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Tokyo and a thousand other cities?
  The people of Germany put Hitler in power, the Japenese worshipped the Emperor and they paid the price for their folly. So did the Amalekites!
  Yep, BABIES DIED, children died, mommas died, dads died, little old ladies died. What often happens in a WAR dipstick? The point is you cannot call the Generals or the soldiers murderers!
  It is you various greaseballs who cannot understand that the barbarians in question threatened Israel's existence and were repeatedly warned by prophets sent to them. Their leaders CAUSED THE DEATHS by doing just waht you do, rebellion against God's soverignty, only they took it a step further by engaging in CHILD SACRIFICE, ENTOMBING CHILDREN IN WALLS FOR GOOD LUCK.
  Nineveh REPENTED and was spared, as God offers to ALL WHO REPENT.
  If you ex-dub, whining atheists would do some research instead of chanting your anti-God slander someone might care to answer your dumb questions!
  Besides that, most of Christianity interprets the Bible in light of the messiah's character, and if a O.T. story does not reflect His revealed character it is REJECTED as NOT GOD'S COMMAND.
  Sheesh.
  Rex
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  Rex B13

  >It's not that scary to face the world without god, its actually enlightening and facinating. I am much happier an athiest than a christian scared to death of god punishing me for whacking off and wondering everyday why god let this person die and another live.
  -Dan

  Until you face your own mortality, then we'll hear the whining and crying, "God, please help me". Your attitude is an abomination to all of the CHRISTIANS who went to their graves fighting to free people they did not know. I said CHRISTIANS and if not for CHRISTIANS your fellow whiners from Europe would all be under the fascists or the communists and their lackeys. In fact, YOU would probably be serving in some SS troop composed of 'loyal' Americans.

  Sheesh, it's all a mmot point since God Himself takes us out of here anyways! Hwe determines how long we live in the first place, nitwit.
  BTW, the babies in question are much better off in heaven then on this world that causes it own suffering because man wants to be his own boss.
  Rex
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  bboyneko 2

  Your attitude is an abomination to all of the CHRISTIANS who went to their graves fighting to free people they did not know.

  Hmmm..what about all the innocent people the christians tortured to death in horrifying ways in the name of God?

  
  Disembowelment
  Your intestines are removed through a small slit and hooked to a spindel, a crank is turned and your intestines are removed inch by inch as it spools like thread.

  Water Torture
  You are forced to swallow vast amounts of water through a funnel, then you are stomped on so that your stomach bursts

  The Slow Fire
  

  Impaling
  A stake is impaled through your anus and exits out your mouth. you live for a long time like this suprisingly, death does not come quick.
  
  Breaking with the Wheel
  I dont even want to describe this one, its possibly the most sadistic torture death ever devised.

  Among others:

  The Cage
  The Hook
  The Head Crusher
  The Judas Chair
  The Pear
  The Saw

  I Samuel 15:3, the prophet Samuel gives King Saul this commandment from the Lord: "Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass."

  Ezekiel 9:4-7 provides the following account of a message from the Lord: "And the Lord said unto him, Go through...the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof. And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity: Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark..."

  Hosea 13:16 sets forth this description of a punishment from the Lord: "Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up."

  Deuteronomy 32:23-25 reports that after the Israelites had provoked the Lord to jealousy by worshiping other gods, the Lord said: "...I will spend mine arrows upon them....The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs."

  At Numbers chapter 31, the Lord indicates his approval of the following order which Moses gave, as set forth at verses 17 and 18, regarding the manner in which the Israelite soldiers were to treat certain women and children captured in war: "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

  Isaiah 13:9,15-18 contains this message from the Lord: "Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger....Every one that is found shall be thrust through. ...Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes...and their wives ravished. Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them....[T]hey shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eye shall not spare children." Clearly, these verses depict the biblical God as having the moral scruples of a sociopathic mass murderer.

  BTW, the babies in question are much better off in heaven then on this world that causes it own suffering

  You're righT! I'm heading to the local hospital after work and taking a chainsaw to all the babies cus they are much happier in heaven than here where they will suffer.