God not only condoned mass murder, he ordered it

by Kent 89 Replies latest jw friends

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  dubla

  no1-

  It also verifies how very “Christ-like” such Christians really are (after all, Christ called the people he didn’t like all sorts of names too).

  -correct me if im wrong, but i was under the understanding that you were NOT a believer in the bible or god, and therefore NOT a believer in christ. correct or incorrect? because if so, who are you to say anything about how "christ-like" someone is or isnt, and who are you to talk about how christ behaved in the bible, when YOU DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. thin arguments, paper thin.

  aa

  p.s. i am on neither side of this debate, as i am but a searcher. i merely point out obvious ridiculous statements when i see them.
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  rem

  -correct me if im wrong, but i was under the understanding that you were NOT a believer in the bible or god, and therefore NOT a believer in christ. correct or incorrect? because if so, who are you to say anything about how "christ-like" someone is or isnt, and who are you to talk about how christ behaved in the bible, when YOU DONT EVEN BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE. thin arguments, paper thin.

  What an absurd argument! As if someone cannot compare people's behavior to the writings in a book they claim to follow just because the person does not believe the book has any authority over him. I suppose you believe Ghandi was wrong for pointing out that Christians did not follow the simple message on the Sermon on the Mount since he was not a Christian himself. Where did you get this lame line of reasoning?

  rem

  "Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
  ..........Bertrand Russell
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  no1youknow

  Jdubla:

  If you sincerely question how someone who doesn't believe in the Bible as God's word can refer to what it says, I will try to answer that question.

  Let's assume that there is a book you don't believe is God's word, but other people do. Let's take the Book of Mormon for example. Let's say that it relates that God or Christ did certain things that you personally find repulsive and not fitting in with the character you attribute to them. If someone then asked you why you didn't believe the Book of Mormon was God's word, could you cite these passages as your reason without appearing "ridiculous"? I think so. In fact, I think the only way you could appear ridiculous in such a situation would be to say, "Oh, I can't tell you why I don't believe because that would involve citing parts of the book, and I can't do that because I don't believe in it."

  Now let's look at the God of the Bible. I think your question is: If I don't believe such a being exists, how can I say that he did this or that? Well, obviously I don't believe he did this or that since I don't believe he exists. What I am doing is assuming the argument of the other side. This is a common way of discussing things (as is "playing devil's advocate" when you argue for the opposite point of view to find holes in your own point of view). Perhaps another analogy would help explain this:

  Let's say that you don't believe in Zeus. When I ask you why, you say, "Well, for one reason he turned into a swan and raped Leda. I don't think that's an action a God would take." But then I reply: "That's not a valid argument, since you don't believe Zeus exists you can't cite any actions of his; a non-existent being can't perform any actions." I would be half right, but I'd be missing the point. The point isn't that you actually believe Zeus did this or that, the point is you don't believe in Zeus because those who do believe in him contend that he did this.

  If the Bible says that Jesus called people "vipers," "fools," and "dogs," it little matters whether I personally believe in God, the Easter Bunny, or Humpty Dumpty; the Bible will still say what it says. The Bible is what most Christians (and certainly the Jehovah's Witnesses, whom this forum is supposed to be geared towards) use as the source of what Jesus did and said. Therefore it seems logical and appropriate to refer to it in this context. I just cannot see how it could be considered ridiculous. A discussion about what Jesus said WITHOUT referring to the Bible -- now THAT might be ridiculous.
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  no1youknow

  Hi Rex,

  I am amazed that, without ever having met me, you have been able to determine that I am a "know-nothing nit-wit dipstick greaseball" (I love the rhythm of that -- any rappers out there who can make use of it, please feel free!)

  You have based this conclusion only on my having quoted the Bible and having stated that I think killing babies is immoral. What great powers of perception you must possess to gather so much from so little!

  I think you missed my point, however; I was not whining that "Christians wouldn't do this or that". Quite the opposite: I was commending you on being so Christ-like since Christ was also into name-calling, as you yourself just pointed out.

  And have you now run out of insults (as you did reasoning) so that you must now resort to threats of eternal punishment? How sad that religion can so warp a person, and cause them to spread hatred instead of love. You have reminded me what it was like to be a Witness, and how very lucky I was to have seen the light at a young age and to have escaped such an atmosphere of seething hatred towards others who refused to enter my darkness. Thanks, Rex. I hope you see the light too, some day. Then we'll share a laugh over this.
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  dubla

  no1-

  first, let me thank you kindly for the long winded explanation. i fully understand using the bible when discussing jesus or god, and maybe i didnt make it clear what i thought was "ridiculous". what i think is ridiculous, is for someone to say "if youre a christian, you shouldnt act this way, for jesus didnt", when that same someone doesnt believe jesus even existed.

  aa
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  rem

  jdubla,

  I'm still not getting it. I don't see any reason why a nonchristian couldn't say: "if youre a Christian, you shouldn't act this way, for Jesus didn't."

  Even if the nonbeliever doesn't think that Jesus existed, he's speaking in the context of the Jesus character that is portrayed in the Bible. The same character that Christians supposedly base their lives on.

  I don't see this as ridiculous at all.

  rem

  "Most people would rather die than think; in fact, they do so."
  ..........Bertrand Russell
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  dubla

  rem-

  I'm still not getting it.

  i dont expect you to.

  aa
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  bboyneko

  jdubla, you are ignoring REM's argument which is very valid. You cannot disocunt his argument because he dosent beleive in the bible. just as you have every right to critisize the laws that another country issues even though you are not bound by them.
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  no1youknow

  Sorry for having missed your point, Jdubla. I assumed you were discussing what I had actually written, instead of bringing up a new topic. I never said:

  "if you're a christian, you shouldnt act this way, for jesus didnt"

  I was merely expressing my amusement at Rex's vituperative comments, and pointing out that he was indeed following in his master's footsteps by expressing himself in that way. I never said he SHOULDN'T behave in that way. I fully understand that he has an excellent reason for behaving that way: he is a follower of Christ.
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  AlanF

  According to the eminent historian Dr. Suess, the Grinch was in the habit of stealing Christmas. Now the Grinch has accumulated followers who by divine providence came to be called Grinchians. The prime goal of Grinchians is to gather proselytes for the Grinch so that Christmas may be stolen every year. Grinchians' holy book and instruction manual is How the Grinch Stole Christmas.

  Now, there exist many heretics who do not believe in the Grinch or in Grinchian principles or in the divine inspiration of their 'bible'. Ultimately the Grinch will harshly judge and then kill these heretics. In the meantime it behooves all men to put faith in the Grinch, for it would be foolish to take a chance that the Grinch is imaginary. What does anyone have to lose by believing and being Grinchlike?

  Some heretics have arrogantly dared to judge the Grinch and how well Grinchians follow the Grinch. Such ones should shut up because they don't even believe in the Grinch and his holy words. Such ones will never understand why they should shut up until the Grinch comes in his final judgment and puts them on their knees immediately before he executes divine judgment upon them.

  Men, everwhere, repent! For the Kingdom of the Grinch will come upon you as thief in the night! Do not take a chance on losing everlasting life in the Grinch's blessed Kingdom!

  A Grinchian