God not only condoned mass murder, he ordered it (page 6)

gumby

bboyneko 2
Do you really believe honestly that God would look down with approval of all those thing's you depicted in your pictures?
Not all thing's done in the name of religion is true christianity and you know that! Jesus said many would cause the way of the truth to be spoken of badly by all the things done by ones profesing christianity. Atheists have done horrible things too. Would it be fair to say all atheists are horrible people because some have done horrible thing's. Let's at least be fair.

kes152

Hey Sixofnine,

Kes, you are not innocent, and with your attitude, Christ could die a thousand deaths and you would have no ransom.

This is your defense?

you cannot refute what I said?

ok.

Peace to you!
Aaron

Rex B13

Bboy,
Christians are NOT A HUMAN LED ORGANISATION. How many times do you need to ignore this fact?
A Christian can commit sin and that is admitted. Many claim to be Christian but in fact are not, either way, they answer to God for their actions.
Rex

bboyneko

Rex, give me the number where I can write to your leader, I have a lot of complainin' to do. The above torture illustrate the depths to which Christians who are given absolute authority will treat those who 'dare deny' that Jesus is lord.

This is why attrocities like the holocaust happened, there is a national, christian inspired hate of any culture tht embraces the bible yet rejetcs jesus, to the point of genocide.

You can look at the history of a movement and see if it appears if more good than bad has happened under the banner of 'christian.'

Since the time of the isrealites wer see torture and genocide in god's name.

-Dan

Rex B13

BBoy,
You are a liar in the form of exaggeration and straw man. Any idiot can hang up a shingle and proclaim himself 'Christian', which is exactly what many HUMAN ORGANISATIONS HAVE DONE. The key is, are they practicing the commands of Christ, literally in John 15 and Matthew 28.18-20 (and other passages)? If not then THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. How many times must I place this fact in cyber for to ignore? Do they behave, in general, like the Christians (with all of their faults) in the N.T.?
You never answered any of my pointed questions in the above posts, therefore you are either too stupid to see them or are intentionally ignoring my points!
Rex

dubla

You are a liar in the form of exaggeration ...

i agree.

aa

bboyneko

I've told you a million times I don't exxagerate

no1youknow

Quote from Rex:
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” Hey Nitwit, No1youknownothing!
Are any of these people baby killers:
Isenhour, Churchill, MacArther, De Gaulle, Westmorland, Teddy Roosevelt, Abe Lincoln, U.S. Grant, Robert E. Lee?
What happened in Berlin, Dresden, Hamburg, Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Tokyo and a thousand other cities?
The people of Germany put Hitler in power, the Japenese worshipped the Emperor and they paid the price for their folly. So did the Amalekites!
Yep, BABIES DIED, children died, mommas died, dads died, little old ladies died. What often happens in a WAR dipstick? The point is you cannot call the Generals or the soldiers murderers!
It is you various greaseballs who cannot understand that the barbarians in question threatened Israel's existence and were repeatedly warned by prophets sent to them. Their leaders CAUSED THE DEATHS by doing just waht you do, rebellion against God's soverignty, only they took it a step further by engaging in CHILD SACRIFICE, ENTOMBING CHILDREN IN WALLS FOR GOOD LUCK.
Nineveh REPENTED and was spared, as God offers to ALL WHO REPENT.
If you ex-dub, whining atheists would do some research instead of chanting your anti-God slander someone might care to answer your dumb questions!”

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First of all, Rex, thank you for further verifying my hypothesis that Bible defenders turn to name-calling and personal attacks when they realize they have no rational or moral ground to stand on. It also verifies how very “Christ-like” such Christians really are (after all, Christ called the people he didn’t like all sorts of names too).

You asked if leaders in time of war were baby killers. Yes they were.

In individual conflicts it can be debated whether such incidental deaths were justified for the greater good. I would guess that someone like Lincoln was willing to take a calculated risk that civilians would be caught in the crossfire. But Lincoln never said: “kill all the babies, rip open pregnant women, and kill all the animals!” That is a very important difference.

Yes, any soldier who deliberately went out of his way to kill babies would be called a murderer.

So, INTENT is the first important difference between these leaders and the God of the Bible. Another very important difference is that if God has the three O’s, then he could’ve accomplished his ends through other means. He had 200 years to get rid of the Amalekites. Why didn’t he just make the women barren (as he is reported to have done to many women in the Bible)? Then they would’ve died out peacefully. Another idea would’ve been to simply “soften their hearts” (as he “hardened” the hearts of Pharaoh and his men). Then they wouldn’t have caused the Israelites any further trouble (which you indicated you thought was the real reason for the genocide). If someone in power has a choice between violent means and peaceful means to the same end, I would call him cruel if he chose the violent means.

As for blaming the Amalekites for child sacrifice: why would this upset God since his own order was to slaughter the Amalekite children? Would it make sense for God to say: “I’m going to kill your children because you kill your children”? Further, we read in the Bible where he actually REWARDED child sacrifice in the case of Abraham and Jephthah. We are told repeatedly in the Bible that the Israelites ended up being just as bad as the former inhabitants of the land they stole. So we cannot justify the genocide of the Amalekites by saying that they were evil and the Israelites were good.

Okay, which one of you atheists has been “chanting” and asking “dumb questions”? Or is Rex hearing voices? ;-)

Quote from Rex:
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“Besides that, most of Christianity interprets the Bible in light of the messiah's character, and if a O.T. story does not reflect His revealed character it is REJECTED as NOT GOD'S COMMAND.”
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This is VERY interesting! In other words, in case we can’t excuse God for murdering babies on the basis that babies are sometimes killed by humans, we can fall back on the argument that the whole story isn’t really true! But your “back up plan” is exactly my argument: the Bible as a whole isn’t true. God never told the Israelites to murder babies. I think the writer felt he had to somehow justify his countrymen’s barbaric atrocities and so he wrote that God told them to do it. Congratulations Rex; now you’re starting to think like us “dumb, nit-wit, know-nothing, hypocritical, lying, greaseball dipsticks with alcoholic and drug-addled brains”! You can start chanting along with the rest of us any time now (unless you can think up some more Christ-like things to say to us). :-)

chappy

Kent,

For someone who doesn't believe the bible is the word of God, you sure put a lot of faith in what it says God did/does.

later,
chappy

Rex B13

It's not name calling when you fit the description.

Don't whine to me about "Christian's wouldn't do this or that", remember "offspring of vipers"?

You just stay cozy in your little no-account atheist cocoon until you are the one being judged. When your knee is bowed you will acknowledge the King of Kings, even as you finally realize what you have an eternity to look forward to.
Cheers!
Rex

God not only condoned mass murder, he ordered it

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