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UNCLEAR

Hello, As you are all aware I am new to the board, this is my third topic post. Since I have come online and expressed some concerns regarding docturnal issues, I have been pm'd by several active JW's on the board pretending to have concerns also but then sending pm's to "Trust in the Congregation and Jevovah", "talk to the elders about your concerns" and "stick close to the congregation". I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THIS KNOWN LOUD AND CLEAR - 1. I am still in good standing in the congregation, my closest friends are elders, my husband and I are very active as of now. 2. If I felt for one second these question could or would be answered in an honest matter, I would go to the elders, but being a wintess as long as I have I understand without reservation that I would be shunned for even having a question, thought, or concern of my own. I would be told to wait on Jehovah, as I have before. 3. If you have any real, concrete, backed up with facts answers I would love to here them and welcome a discussion, honestly I don't want to know my years have been wasted. Questions you may or may not be able to answer. a. When I was raped, the brothers told me it was not fornication and his wife did not have scriptural grounds for divorce. She had to stay married to him or she would lose her priveldges in the congregation. Would Jehovah agree with that, or any kind person even consider that scriptural? b. When a husband in good standing in the congregation loses his job because he is addicted to internet pornography and when the wife has proof and goes to the elders they say - "Well we don't want to look at your evidence, but we hope to talk to him soon". He remained in good standing eventhough he stopped going to meetings and tried to stop me from attending meetings by taking the car away so I walked to and from meeting with my 6 month old son, calling me horrible names and in the end started getting violent. But still mind you was in good standing and I was told if I divorce him I would lose good standing. So if anyone has any answers I would sure like to hear them.

UNCLEAR

Sorry about this post I tried to put indents to space things out but it didn't work.

freedomlover

((((((((((UNCLEAR))))))))))))

you have been through some stuff sweety.

I'm so sorry you've been treated the way you have.

You are 100% right. I also asked questions about things that didn't make sense to me and it was turned back on ME. That I was being influenced, or faultfinding, or being critical. BULLS**T! It was a true eyeopener for me to ask the elders and see the response I got back.

Hold you head high. You had respect for yourself and are making the changes necessary to move on in your life - for the betterment of you and your son!

much love to you - freedomlover

Check_Your_Premises

Have you ever considered the possiblity that these men did not have the guidance of the holy spirit?

If they are appointed by the holy spirit, then why do they make these dumb decisions you described?

Did the holy spirit lead these men to make these dumb decisions?

Sorry I answered your questions with more questions. But I don't expect you will find answers that are compatible with your faith.

Hope you are getting some thoughts together by posting here. Please continue! I think it is doing you some good. It sounds like you have been carrying around alot of heavy thoughts, and you have nobody to share them with.

CYP

carla

I think I missed welcoming you! sounds like you have had quite a difficult time. Sorry for that. Nevermind the crazy pm's from the active ones, ask lots of questions. There is always somone who will answer and discuss with you. I believe a few of the women here have been through some tramatic times as well and know first hand your pain.

In answer to your question, just my opinion, I don't think God would approve of nearly anything the jw's do.

scrubmaster

But still mind you was in good standing and I was told if I divorce him I would lose good standing

I will tell my story one day, but I will just say this briefly. I was married to a witness once and she left and then divorced me on unscriptural grounds(This after I had forgiving her of adultery about 5 years early) I found out she decided to start coming back to the meeting. When I said to the brothers, is she still in good standing the scripture he quoted to me was "not all things are lawful and not all things are advantages". Meaning there was nothing they could do to her. However if I on the other hand had left her and divorce her, then I could not be used in the congregation. One day I will tell the story of the hoops they made me go through to prove my scriptural freedom.

Justitia Themis

When I was raped, the brothers told me it was not fornication

I am so sorry for your experiences. If I may ask, when did this happen?

Double Edge

honestly I don't want to know my years have been wasted.

Well, you wouldn't be the first one who thought that way. I don't think anything we learn in life is a waste.... look at where you are now, and if you know where you want to go, just look down the road a piece to see what the future holds.

I'm glad you're on the board. Thanks for sharing about those trying to dissuade you from moving forward. I look forward to your posts.

greendawn

The JWs are indeed not very tolerent with doubts and objections, if you go to them with such they may not expel you but they will suspect you of being weak spiritually.

Justitia Themis

*** it-1 pp. 862-863 Fornication ***

FORNICATION

Illicit sex relations outside of Scriptural marriage. The Hebrew verb za·nah´ and its related forms convey the idea of harlotry, immoral intercourse, fornication, or prostitution. (Ge 38:24; Ex 34:16; Ho 1:2; Le 19:29) The Greek word translated "fornication" is por·nei´a. Regarding the meanings of por·nei´a, B. F. Westcott in his book Saint Paul’s Epistle to the Ephesians (1906, p. 76) says: "This is a general term for all unlawful intercourse, (I) adultery: Hos. ii. 2, 4 (LXX.); Matt. v. 32; xix. 9; (2) unlawful marriage, I Cor. v. I; (3) fornication, the common sense as here [Eph 5:3]." Bauer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament (revised by F. W. Gingrich and F. Danker, 1979, p. 693) defines por·nei´a as "prostitution, unchastity, fornication, of every kind of unlawful sexual intercourse." Porneia is understood to involve the grossly immoral use of the genital organ(s) of at least one human; also there must have been two or more parties (including another consenting human or a beast), whether of the same sex or the opposite sex. (Jude 7) The unlawful act of a rapist is fornication, but, of course, that does not make the person who is forcibly raped also a fornicator.

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