RICHIE RED ALERT

by RichieRich 324 Replies latest jw friends

  • gumby
    gumby

    Richie...unless I missed it, you haven't commented on this idea below. Do you plan on it?

    Why don't you go to the judicial committee to face your "accusers" and reveal the identity of the lurkers that have been watching your activities on this web site. We would all like to know who they are.

    Here are the society's guidelines,

    1.There must be either two witnesses or a confession of
    wrongdoing.

    2.The committee should not take action against a person
    unless the evidence clearly proves this necessary.

    3.There must be two or three eyewitnesses, not just persons
    repeating what they have heard;
    no action can be taken if
    there is only one witness. (Deut. 19:15;Jol1ll 8:17)

    4.Elders need to treat the accused kindly and respectfully,
    never harshly. (w89 9/15 p. 19)

    Richie.....I'd follow up on this if you can. Don't make it easy on this cult. MAKE THEM abide by their own standards and if they refuse....threaten to sue them with a lawyer.

    Best of luck buddy......you are a true hero!

    ( oh....and reaffirm your mom how much you love her)

    Gumby

  • KW13
    KW13

    Gumby is right, they are very good at using these rules when they need but in no hurry to remind you of them.

    REMEMBER: Your not 18 so if they ain't being nice, tell 'em so!

  • Quentin
    Quentin

    Best to you Rich...

  • RichieRich
    RichieRich

    They have sort of a confession, so they don't need the witnesses. I'll still ask though.

    I have a lawyer on retainer, working pro bono- and he HATES witnesses. He formulated most of my DA letter. I'll make sure that the brothers know that if they screw up, its THEIR ass.

    I haven't talked to my mom. I don't know where she is. I hope shes alright- she wont answer her phone.

    I have to go to work though, and but I'll be seeing yall later.

  • nicolaou
    nicolaou

    You're an awesome young dude Richie! For what it's worth I'd say your Mum is your top priority right now - but I guess you know that right? Buy her some flowers, tell her you still love her and give her a big hug.

    There will always be time to shove grenades up the Watchtower'e arse, right now your time is needed closer to home.

    Nic'
    [A real Richie fan]

  • unbeliever
    unbeliever

    You are getting the silent treatment. I got it myself when I left the borg. My mom can fly off the handle to but I don't think she is as bad as your mom when it comes to being overbearing. My mom knew I was done and there was no going back for me. If she had any hope she would have been all over my ass trying to get me back to KH.

  • AudeSapere
    AudeSapere

    *sigh*

    I couldn't log on to JWD at all last night and for some reason could not connect to Thom's Chat either...

    I felt completely shunned - with all doors locked!!

    Thought about you, Richie and hoped for some sort of rational responses from your accusers. Sounds like things are tabled for a few days.

    I like Nicolau's and the other poster's advice to ignore the elders for a bit longer and spend time and attention on your mom. Flowers. Hugs. Time. Let her know you love her and that if there was anyway to grow up properly without hurting her, you would choose that route. But there isn't. And you feel really bad for that. Yet you need to do what you need to do to get on with your life.

    -Aude. (SOO happy that JWD is up again so I can look in on this thread...!!!)

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Death Threats
    American Daily, OH - 1 hour ago
    ... Are they mutually exclusive? And what about the (dum da dum dum DUM!) Jehovah’s Witnesses? I can’t answer these questions for you. ... Islamists Post Hit List of 'Apostates'“An Egyptian group calling itself the "al-Jama’ah Consultative Council" has sent an e-mail hit list to people deemed 'apostates' yesterday. The group warned that those people on the list who had left the faith would have three days (as of yesterday) to repent or they would be killed. The group also warned that the wives and children of the Muslim apostates were being followed & would be killed. Under Islamic Law, the maximum penalty for apostasy is death.The list includes prominent Muslims living in the West who have spoken out against violent Islamic extremism and intolerance, some still living in Muslim countries, as well as Coptic Christians who have advocated equal treatment in Egypt.” .....Are the “true Christians” the ritual-based people like Catholics and Orthodox, or their cousins, the “faith, fire, and brimstone” folk (protestants)? Are they mutually exclusive? And what about the (dum da dum dum DUM!) Jehovah’s Witnesses?......

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    Just when things were getting interesting with your posts, I found I myself locked out of the forum as well. A little while ago when I started reading what I'd missed, viruses started trying to pop up all over the place on my computer! Now that I've engaged my anonymity programs, things have quieted down.
    Well, Ritchie, I guess you got your wish to go out with a bang! I doubt the elders are being very honest with you about who tipped them off to your activities here. The fact that it hit the fan right after you posted the pages from that annotated elder's manual is just too indicative that the "mother" organization is behind your current crisis. One person observed that they fear you and I am inclined to agree. If the manual itself becomes a big issue, then you can bet on it.
    Knowing the way any JW parent feels when their child takes the course you've taken, I am sure that your mother is very hurt right now. Remember, Ritchie, that the organization is her world, her god, and her reality. I know, I've been there. For her to see her son take the road of "apostacy" is cutting her to the core. If she doesn't toss you out on your ears, then you have a rare dub mother.
    Now I haven't said that to make you feel bad or shake you from your chosen course. It would be a bit hypocritical of me, a fader, to be going down that road. While I was yet a Dub, I had a daughter who left both my family and the organization and took up a lifestyle of drugs and immorality, so I know how your mother is feeling right now. That she is not answering your phone calls tells me that she is thinking some things over and coming to some decisions. That she avoided the elders last night tells me that she wants to make those decisions herself, rather than let the elders dictate them to her. that she is taking so much time to do that tells me that those decisions are not easy for her and that is not inclined to do what the elders would demand. Though, in the end, she may not have much of a choice.
    She does not have to kick you out Ritchie. She can perfectly well keep you in the home until she judges you able to go out on your own. And the elders would be way off base to demand otherwise. Its just that the way she will treat you if she does will be different if you are disfellowshipped. I know this because I didn't kick my daughter out. She left because I wouldn't allow her the freedom to do some of the things she wanted, and which I didn't approve of then, or would not approve of now.
    Whatever happens from this point, Ritchie, I add my voice to those wishing you the best. However things happen, you are going to be in for some rough times. But freedom is never easy. And you have to break some eggs in order to make a fine omlet. Do what you must, friend.
    Forscher

  • serendipity
    serendipity


    Since Richie's father is not a JW, and is 'the head of the house', the elders shouldn't be imposing their opinions on his mother. His father needs to speak to the elders and tell them not to diminish his authority in his own household.

    I wish the best for you Richie. But I also feel for your mother. I have a 17 year old, and I know how hurt I'd be if she told me she had radically different beliefs.

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