Oz, perhaps?

by AGuest 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Uh... Tom? (No 'dearest'; just peace to you)...

    Since I am otherwise unoccupied this fine day... and none of the other threads 'intrigue' me quite as much as this one... and I have no direction (or desire) to start a new thread... what say we just 'go' with this one:

    I told you, Shelby, that "dearest" schtuff gives me the Kreeps!

    Yes, and I am starting to notice a 'pattern'... it seems that the men without women/wives in their lives, take offense at such things. P'haps you need a HUG, Tom Tally... from a girl.

    With regard to my request to respond:

    Well, I was hoping one of these days, you'd start...

    Wait no longer, dude.

    nahhh, I just read ahead and you didn't even respond to my question of "why you think you bees of the tribe of Benjamin"?

    Because I am.

    "How you came into access of Jewish genealogical records"?

    I didn't.

    Or was that just another whispered 'revelation'?

    Well... DUH! Do you seriously think my Father doesn't know through whose veins flows the blood of His friend, Abraham... in whatever 'fraction'?

    much less all the other questions I put to you?

    Okay, so call me 'slow'. Ask less questions, or state them clearer.

    Tell us, Shel, if you asked that voice which you hear:
    "Hey man, are you Beelzebub?"... do you think that "spirit" would tell you the truth?"

    Oh, yes, indeed. Not only that, the OTHER voice, my Lord's told me what the word 'Beelzebub' means. Scholars think it translates into "God/Lord of the Flies". In truth, it means "god of the unclean winged [flying] things." But then, you knew that, didn't 'ya, Tom?

    Reading down a little further in that passage, the Master was urging his disciples not to fear, yet you will not even use the name of a poster here: "Abaddon"... you're a scarted to ... you just use the letter "A" when referring to this poster.

    Noooooo, Tommy. I ain't 'ascared'. If you will read my disclaimer, I stated that I wasn't comfortable using the name "Abaddon" with the term of endearment "dearest". But then, you knew THAT, too, yes, Tom? Just like you know you managed to take a part of what I said and turn it into what you wish folks to believe? Yes, you knew that, didn't 'ya, Tommy, dear?

    What are you afraid of, Shel?

    That folks like you are going to take folks who've already been 'spiritually' damaged... and put them completely to death. Spiritually. That gives me GREAT fear... for them... and for those like you.

    Do you use "S" for Satan, and dare not use that designation?

    Satan? The Devil? The "Adversary" of my Lord, my brothers and I? Satan has no 'hold' on my Lord, who is my 'refuge'; why in heaven and on EARTH, then, would I need to fear him? Satan is impotent, Tom. Too many people, though, don't know that. He can only do what we 'let' him. He has no 'power'.

    Or do you just say "D" for the Devil because you are fearful to use the FULL word?

    Devil, Devil, Devil, Devil... so now what?

    And yet, a few days ago, you asked me what I was fearful of, because I questioned that you'd been suckered in by a seducing spirit to take part in an Occult Ceremony, called 'glossalalia'...

    Indeed, I did ask you that. The REAL question, however, is DID YOU GET THE SENSE OF WHAT I ASKED? Obviously... not.

    Are you comparing yourself to Jesus?

    Is this one of those 'straw man' thingies you and the other 'intellects' keep referring to? Do you THINK I compared myself to "Jesus"? Or did I simply state what my Lord was recorded to have said... and left YOU... to discern the point? Methinks it was the latter, but expecting you to discern may have been a bit of a stretch. Ya think?

    (messiah-complex pops up again!)

    Can a messiah HAVE a "messiah" complex? Let me ask you, Tom Tally, and you tell ME, if you will... what is the meaning of the word "messiah"? And "christian"... what is the meaning of THAT word? Are they not one and the same? (Hmmmm... do I smell smoke? Don't think TOO hard, dear one...)

    Are you comparing me to a Pharisee?

    Er? Did I compare you to anything at all?

    Have you been expelling demons lately, Shel?

    No, not lately, Tom. Why? You need some assistance getting rid of one? That's not really my particulary 'gift', but I am SURE that if you exercise a little faith... and I exercise a little faith... we can 'wash that demon'... 'right out of your'... what, heart? Is that where you're keeping it?

    Have you added that to your "Gifts" list?

    Asked... and answered.

    Healed anyone lately?

    No, but I know one who has. Two people, in fact. Why? You got something what needs healing? I can put in a word for you and, like I said before... if YOU exercise a little faith... and HE exercises a little faith... well, who's to say what all you might be 'rid' of?

    I could use a good-... never mind!

    You seem to already HAVE a good 'never' mind: "never say or tell me anything I don't have the faith to 'receive'." Never. Ever.

    You're convincing me more than ever with this Text-Bombing you put out here, that you've been grabbed a hold of by "the lord of dung"...

    Don't rightly know what 'text-bombing' is, Tom... like I said, I don't consider myself to be the 'brightest' crayon in the box... but I DO know that blasphemy against the spirit is a fairly serious matter...

    and it ain't a pretty sight.

    What, blasphemy against the spirit? 'You know', Tom, I think I'm gonna have to agree 'wit cha... NOT 'pretty' at all!

    or it's as Randy diagnosed: MALIGNANT NARCISSISM

    Well, of course, "Dr." Randy is entitled to his opini... uh, 'diagnosis'. Most assuredly so.

    Shelby, from where you are standing RIGHT NOW... can you see the Deep End?

    Actually, dear one... I am sitting. And no, even then I can't see it, because I can't see across the chasm between me and it. BUT... perhaps you can give us a description of it from where YOU'RE standi... uh, sitting. Waddya say?

    (p.s. So, are you going to save us by flying up in a Hurricane Hunter when the next Big Ill Wind blows towards the East Coast?)

    Sorry, dear one... I live on the WEST Coast and don't get to the East one very often. And we don't have hurricanes out c'here.

    (p.s.s. "Text-Bombing" gets O-l-d, Fast!)

    We're ALL getting old 'fast', Tom. Some of us just don't LOOK it... yet.

    My peace remains, as I remain...

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • Okidok
    Okidok

    Hi AGuest slave of Christ

    Are you just kidding, or do you actually believe in what you are preaching?

    "It takes two to speak the truth -- one to speak, and another to
    hear."
    ---Henry David Thoreau (1817-1862)

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman
    Are you just kidding, or do you actually believe in what you are preaching?

    Yes, OkieDokie, we are afraid that Shelby DOES believe in what she's spouting.

    Like take, for instance, when we said to Shelby that her "messiah complex" was showing again... THIS is how she responded:

    Can a messiah HAVE a "messiah" complex? Let me ask you, Tom Tally, and you tell ME, if you will... what is the meaning of the word "messiah"? And "christian"... what is the meaning of THAT word? Are they not one and the same?

    Yep. If you doubted it afore, ain't no doubtin' it now,
    Shelby claims to BE The Messiah.

    Shel, shuge, the two words are NOT the same.
    Did your "schpirit" whisper that in your head, too?

    We, as fallen flesh are to follow in the Messiah's footsteps, the best we can. We Are NOT supposed to BE the Messiah.
    Man, have you got it twisted.

    Shel, when you said: "and you tell ME, if you will"...
    is "ME" an abbreviation for MEssiah?

    You also responded in your post:

    Because I am.

    YOU ARE ALSO THE GREAT "I AM" TOO, ALSO?
    bEFORE aBRAHAM wAS, yOU wERE?

    I'm sorry it's taken me so long to respond to Shelby.
    I'm just getting in late this Saturday night from a hot date.

    What was it about that "pattern you were noticing", Shelby?

    Has the "schpirit" whispered something in your ear about my personal life?? Uh-oh, you gots ANOTHER Bum Steer.

    I don't think you's gonna learn.
    I think I'm gonna have to go with Doctor Dogpatch's Diagnosis.
    Either, way-
    if you're afflicted with "MALIGNANT NARCISSISM...
    or worse case scenario, if you are possessed of an Unclean Spirit...
    don't you worry, I'm going to be praying for you.

    p.s. "Text-Bombing" is what you did. Drop Scriptures like a Saturation Bombing Campaign into a discussion, with no commentary, or explanation or application... no nothing.
    It's like "Just Here! Take This! Matthew Eleventy-Twenty! How ya like dem apples?!?"

    p.s.s. I've got a Big Text-Bomb for you! Are you Ready! Heah Go!

    Genesis 1:1 - Revelation 22:21

    "Booooom!"

    How you like dem Apples?

    My Text-Bomb BIGGER than your text-bomb!

    .

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Ah, Tom, Tom, Tommy... peace to you!

    In reading your posts, past and present, I presumed you to be a man of... uh, SOME "knowledge". My bad!

    The word "messiah", Tommy, means, in Hebrew, "anointed/chosen of Jah" (the word is "meshiha", according to the American Heritage Dictionary, and "mischa-jah", according to my Lord. Means the same thing, though: 'anointed one'.

    The word "christ", dear one, means, in GREEK "anointed/chosen one" (the word is "khristos").

    Thus, in TRUTH, while there is only ONE "Shiloh" ("the One to Whom it Belongs"), there are MANY "messiahs".

    Soooooo... BOO-YOW!!

    (Honestly, Tom, I urge you... look these things UP! It won't do for you to go around making tired, sad, "the 'me' in messiah" jokes. Surely, you are 'above' that such 'elementary' things. And yet, I COULD be mistaken about you... again.)

    Peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    Can a person be a real Christian if he does not hear the voice of JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH?

    What are you thoughts on size is relative? What I mean is:

    If size is relative and the theory of relativity are true, could our entire universe be like just an electron, or even smaller part of some other universe, composed of universes like our own, and that universe be just the same to another universe and go on and on like this forever?
    Since size is relative.

    I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest DWilt... may you have peace.

    Let me relate to you accounts believed to recorded by John and Luke, and perhaps you will find your answer:

    "After saying these things, she turned back
    and viewed JahEshua standing there but she
    did not discern it was JahEshua. JahEshua
    said to her: "Woman, why are you weeping?
    Whom are you looking for?" She... IMAGINING
    IT WAS THE GARDNER, said to him, "Sir, if
    you have carried him off, tell me where you
    have laid him, and I will take him away.
    JahEshua SAID TO HER: "Mary!"

    "... and they all came to be filled with
    holy spirit..."

    John 20:14, 15; Acts 2:3, 4

    And another...

    "Now as he was traveling he approached Damascus,
    when suddenly a light from heaven flashed around
    him, and he fell to the ground and HEARD A VOICE
    SAY TO HIM: "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting
    me?"

    "So Ananias went off and entered into the house,
    and he laid his hands upon him and sid: "Saul,
    brother, the Lord, JahEshua that appeared to
    you on the road over which you were coming, has
    sent me forth, in order that you may recover
    sight and be FILLED WITH HOLY SPIRIT."

    Acts 9:13, 4, 18

    If you are aware, dear DWilt, to BE a 'christian', means one has been chosen... and ANOINTED... with holy spirit. That's what the word MEANS: "anointed/chosen" one. "Christ-people". "Chosen-people." "Anointed people". Christ-ian. Yes, I am aware that there are MANY who BELIEVE themselves to be 'christians', simply because they "believe in Jesus Christ". However, while such ones may be 'followers' of the WAYS and TEACHINGS of Christ, this does not necessarily mean they are 'chosen'. Indeed, MANY are 'called'; however, FEW... are 'chosen'.

    In the accounts cited above, you will note that BOTH individuals heard the voice of my Lord; however, at the time, NEITHER had yet received the promised holy spirit. So, while indeed Mary was a 'discple', she was not yet a 'chosen' one, a 'christian'. Paul wasn't even a disciple, but was also granted the UNDESERVED KINDNESS and mercy of receiving holy spirit.

    So, no... one does NOT have to be a 'christian' in order to hear the voice of my Lord.

    Moving on to 'relativity'...

    In answer to your question, I would actually have to say 'yes'... 'no'. I say this because I am very aware that the PHYSICAL universe is not in any way size, shape or form the be-all-end-all of all things. This universe actually 'came out of' and 'exists within' a MUCH larger 'universe'... one that has NO boundaries and does not exist in space and time... as WE know it... the SPIRITUAL universe.

    The SPIRIT realm can, dear DWilt, occupy ANY space... and ANY time. So... there is NO limitation: it is truly 'free'. It is this 'universe', the PHYSICAL realm... and those of us who allow ourselves to 'exist' only in IT... that are 'enslaved'. For the physical realm itself it enslaved... to 'laws' that dictate its existence.

    I hope your questions have been adequately answered. I am...

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    I asked:"Can a person be a real Christian if he does not hear the voice of JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH?"

    Not:"Does a person have to be a Christian to hear the voice of JAHESHUA MISCHAJAH?"

    You answered:

    So, no... one does NOT have to be a 'christian' in order to hear the voice of my Lord.

    Not my question.

    I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    OMIGOODNESS.. DUH!

    Dearest DWilt... you are absolutely correct. I submit my most sincerest apology... and wish you peace.

    The 'answer' to your question is:

    While indeed their are many 'sheep'... not all 'sheep' are my Lord's 'sheep'. My Lord's sheep, however, hear his voice.

    John 10:1-6, 27

    So, in answer to your question, no, a person cannot be a 'real' christian if they do not 'hear' the voice of Christ. Indeed, while some may hear a bit BETTER than others, by reason of having the 'gift' of the spirit that is 'discernment of inspired utterances', or hearing spirits, which grants them to hear all KINDS of spirits... good and bad... ALL of my Lord's sheep 'hear [his] voice'... and follow him.

    Indeed, at some point even all of the 'dead' will hear his 'voice'... whether they are his sheep or not, 'christian' or not... for the righteous AND the unrighteous... 'will hear [his] voice and come out'... from the memorial tombs.

    Again, I apologize for misreading your question and bid you peace.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    Something here does not make sense to me:

    Moving on to 'relativity'...

    In answer to your question, I would actually have to say 'yes'... 'no'. I say this because I am very aware that the PHYSICAL universe is not in any way size, shape or form the be-all-end-all of all things. This universe actually 'came out of' and 'exists within' a MUCH larger 'universe'... one that has NO boundaries and does not exist in space and time... as WE know it... the SPIRITUAL universe.

    The reason why it don't make sense is:
    That if in the spirit realm does not exist in space or TIME, then time means nothing for those in the Spirit Realm, since they are not bound by it.YES

    It would also mean that Satan and his demons would be able to predict the future with unfailing accuracy, since they would not be bound by time being they live in the Spirit Realm. And since they would know the future why fight against what they already know to be the outcome?

    I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Hello, DWilt... and may you have peace.

    The answer to your question is: Because Satan is not only 'impotent'... he is also not the 'brightest' crayon in the box, either. Let me qualify that, if I may:

    In Eden, Satan was TOLD what would occur... yes? That the 'seed' of the 'woman' would 'crush him in the head'. Now, I ask you... do you REALLY think that SATAN thought that GOD... was LYING? Was not Satan himself the 'father of the lie'? Dear one, you have to understand Satan's MOTIVE: HE DOESN'T CARE!

    Satan is the 'high priest' of another 'master', DWilt... Death. And death... 'is NEVER satisfied'. Satan, by not 'standing fast in the truth' but becoming a 'manslayer'... sold HIMSELF into Death's service. So, in order to appease Death... he must FEED Death. And that is what he does: sacrifices on the 'altar' of Death, ALL those who make themselves 'available' to him. I say 'available' because in TRUTH, Satan doesn't MAKE anyone... DO... ANYTHING. Rather, he takes what is already THERE... and exploits it. Think Eve, think Cain, think Judas. All of these had a something in THEM, that was exploited:

    1. Eve, the desire of the eyes
    2. Cain, anger
    3. Judas, greed

    My Lord had some 'desires', too... including the fulfillment of that which was PROMISED him by my Father: kingdom, rulership, power, glory... and life everlasting... the last of which he had already possessed. Our Adversary KNEW this, however, and attempted to exploit such desires by offering my Lord kingdoms and glory and power and rulership... and IMMORTALITY... IF my Lord would do an act of worship... to HIM (Satan). My Lord, however, KNEW Satan to be the liar that he was... in that he (Satan) HAD no 'kingdom, power, glory, rulership or life' to give HIMSELF, but could only offer that which was made available to HIM. However, my Lord knew that in TRUTH... ALL things belonged to my Father, and if one is going to 'receive' something, one should at LEAST 'receive' it from the one to whom it truly belongs... yes?

    Anyway, back to your statement with regard to MY statement: Forgive me, but I need to correct your 'error' this time. You said:

    That if in the spirit realm does not exist in space or TIME, then time means nothing for those in the Spirit Realm, since they are not bound by it.

    However, in TRUTH, what I SAID was:

    This universe actually 'came out of' and 'exists within' a MUCH larger 'universe'... one that has NO boundaries and does not exist in space and time... as WE know it... the SPIRITUAL universe.

    I think your omission of the words 'as we know it' was quite crucial to a proper understanding of this matter, DWilt. Anyone coming in on the tailend would read your post and assume that I said there exists no space and time in the spirit realm. And in truth, I said nothing of the sort. Indeed, space... AND time... exist in that realm; however, it is NOT space and time... as WE... humans... mere flesh, with its blood... 'earthling' man... know it. One would have to 'transcend' the flesh and come to be 'in the spirit'... to know it. I posted such an experience on this board not so long ago. I will relate it to YOU, if you so wish it.

    I bid you peace, DWilt... truthfully and sincerely. And I am,

    YOUR servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

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