Oz, perhaps?

by AGuest 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    My mistake:

    I think your omission of the words 'as we know it' was quite crucial to a proper understanding of this matter, DWilt. Anyone coming in on the tailend would read your post and assume that I said there exists no space and time in the spirit realm. And in truth, I said nothing of the sort. Indeed, space... AND time... exist in that realm; however, it is NOT space and time... as WE... humans... mere flesh, with its blood... 'earthling' man... know it. One would have to 'transcend' the flesh and come to be 'in the spirit'... to know it. I posted such an experience on this board not so long ago. I will relate it to YOU, if you so wish it.

    I just assumed that when you said "time and space do not exist as we know it" you meant it didn't exist.

    So if time exists in the Spirit Realm but not as we know it, as you say, could you then explain how time exists, but not as we know it?

    I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    I witness this type of behavior every day from current and former JW's! Excellent diagnosis!

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    if time exists in the Spirit Realm but not as we know it, as you say, could you then explain how time exists, but not as we know it

    Well, DWilt, I COULD start with the 'saying' that 'a day to JAH is as a thousand years', but in truth, even that wouldn't quite explain it. I could take you the seven (7) creative 'days'... but again, my explanation would be insufficient.

    Why? Because trying to explain things spiritual to one that is physical is like trying to explain being a woman... to a man... and vice versa. Certainly, there are some aspects that would be grasped and understood, but there are many that simply can't be. The one could show a measure of compassion and empathy, but only a measure. Without some personal frame of reference, there is something lost in the relation of the issues.

    Suffice it to say that when I was 'given' personal knowledge of the 'time and space' of that realm, a few things were most noticeable. I was taken 'in spirit' to a place and at one point I was looking at some 'flowers', which for some reason appeared 'weird' to me. After staring for some time, I realized what was WEIRD was that there was NO 'death' in them. None. Not at all. How do I mean? Well, even when we look at a newly budding flower in THIS realm, death is already apparent: there is some flaw, some browning or furled edge or leaf... SOMETHING to let us know that that flower will not exist here forever. However, the ones I saw had no such 'signs'. They were, for all intents and purposes... perfect.

    And I could not 'pick' them. Not in the sense that I was prohibited from them, but in the sense that all I need do was WANT them... and some appeared for me, separate from those. In the 'form' that I wanted them. And such ones, too, had no 'death' in them. They were not 'aging' and thus showed no SIGNS of aging. Time... in THIS realm... also shows death... for eventually, at some point or another, it reveals decay. Yes? All things, including plastic, which eventually evidences 'wear-and-tear', if not destruction, eventually reveals aging. NOTHING... stays 'pristeen' in this realm, for it is all subject to the TIME of this realm. Even plastic, although recycleable, will... eventually... reduce in its original use... and become dust. Okay, plastic dust, yes, but still dust. And since plastic is derived from petroleum, a 'natural' produce, even IT will eventually 'return to the dust'. Might be several hundreds/thousands of years, but it takes some bricks that long, too. Yes? I mean, the pyramids ARE still standing... but 'time'... is taking its 'toll'. Yes?

    With regard to space, at the time, I was in a 'dwelling' that was QUITE small. But I knew that it was small, because small was all that I needed. There were other 'dwellings' of various sizes. The thing is that ALL of them existed in the same 'space'. Unlike 'matter' in the physical realm, which cannot occupy the same space (no two atoms can occupy the same 'space' in this realm), that was NOT the case here. ALL things 'existed' pretty much in the same space that it 'wished' to.

    The POINT to this was that there was no 'competition' for space; for example, if I wanted my small dwelling 'there'... and you wanted your larger dwelling 'there' also... there was no problem, for BOTH dwellings (and however many more), could occupy the same 'space'. All one needed do was 'wish' it. The other thing that accounted for no 'competition', thus no hatred or rivalry... was the fact that if I WANTED a larger dwelling, all I need do was 'wish' for that as well. So, there was nothing that say, YOU could have... that I could NOT have. If I wanted it, and wanted it 'here'... and YOU wanted it and also wanted it 'here'... we BOTH 'received' it. And I felt no jealousy, competition or rivalry against you... for I knew (as did you) that whatever EITHER of us 'desired'... BOTH could 'receive'. There was nothing that I could want that you could not have, and vice versa.

    Now, I don't know truly whether you are a 'spiritual' man, DWilt... or a 'physical' one. The words at 1 Corinthians 2:11-16 might help to shed a little 'light' on that for you. But only you know that (actually, I will know it, too... by your 'reception' of this particular truth...). But I HAVE... in all of this... spoken TRUTH to you. What I have shared here, is what was truly 'given' me.

    And I hope it serves to better explain what I meant. I know that not seeing/experiencing it for yourself will leave some 'void'... but it does not have to do so completely. As in a woman trying to describe BEING a woman to a man... and vice verse. There are SOME 'common' frames of reference to 'build' from...

    Again, I bid you peace, and I am...

    Your servant and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    Thanks for your,(truthful??) reply:

    Now, I don't know truly whether you are a 'spiritual' man, DWilt... or a 'physical' one. The words at 1 Corinthians 2:11-16 might help to shed a little 'light' on that for you. But only you know that (actually, I will know it, too... by your 'reception' of this particular truth...). But I HAVE... in all of this... spoken TRUTH to you. What I have shared here, is what was truly 'given' me.

    Well I guess according to your words I'm not a spiritual man, Oh well.

    I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    Well I guess according to your words I'm not a spiritual man, Oh well.

    How so, DWilt? My 'words' were:

    (actually, I will know it, too... by your 'reception' of this particular truth...).

    Yet, I have no indication of your 'reception'... one way or the other.

    Why, may I ask, do you misrepresent me, again?

    I bid you peace.

    YOUR servant, and a slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • D wiltshire
    D wiltshire

    Shell,

    Yes you do.
    I said"Thanks for your,(truthful??) reply:"

    As an indication of my beleif that you are pulling my leg.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Ah, then, DWilt... it was YOU who spoke truth.

    Peace.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

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