Sorry, another 607 question? I'm confused. (page 2)

Theocrat

Say, theocrat - what year did Nebuchadnezzer die?

He didn't. He's crashed at my place AS WE SPEAK!

Leolaia

The "seven times" prophecy starts with the beginning of exiles being taken to Babylon, which obviously happened when Jerusalem's destruction was finished.

No. See Jeremiah 52:28-30.

lost_light06

Oh I'm laughing. Your just that damn funny.

bennyk

That's how we arrive at 607 a the correct date, because even historians acknowledge that the exile lasted 70 years and ended in 537.

Really? What historians?

Not Josephus. The SEVENTY years of SERVITUDE (Antiquities 11:1:1) run from 609 B.C.E. (following the Assyrian Empire's crushing defeat at Haran and the subsequent vassalage of Judea to Babylon) until 539 B.C.E. (when Babylon itself was defeated). The FIFTY years of DESOLATION for the Temple (Apion 1:21) run from 587 B.C.E. (when Jerusalem and its Temple were destroyed) until 537 B.C.E. (when the foundations of the Temple were laid [second year of Cyrus]). The accounts in Josephus indicate that the temple (and Jerusalem) lay desolate FIFTY years (Apion 1:21), which fifty years were a part of the SEVENTY years of SERVITUDE (Antiquities 11:1:1). Apion 1:19 does NOT contradict this; it confirms that the fifty year's period of desolation occurred "during the interval of seventy years". The several deportations occurred at various times during the seventy years, but the SERVITUDE of Judea as a nation need not begin with any of the deportations as recorded in the Bible. The prophecies as recorded in Jeremiah do not even require deportation and exile at all: cf. Jer. 27:7,8,11-13,17; 38:17,18

The WTS' chronology is wrong not only because Jerusalem fell in 587 B.C.E., but more importantly, because Daniel chap. 4 has nothing to do with foreshadowing the Messianic Kingdom. See also Luke 21:8.

One might also add that the events predicted by Russell for 1914 (see Studies in the Scriptures, vol. II "The Time is at Hand" pp.76-78) did not occur, proving C. T. Russell a FALSE PROPHET (Deut. 18:20-22).

james_woods

OK, theocrat. If you can't be serious, I will just have to ask scholar.

Ask old Neb how his boy Evil-Merodach-Knievel is doing.

Theocrat

Leo, what I meant is: the final capture of Jerusalem by Nebuchadnezzar was completed in 607 B.C.E., because it was altogether an 18-month siege according to 2 Kings 25:1-4...this time the city was emptied of most of its inhabitants.

Narkissos

lostlight,

You are quite right. If (as often stated in WT literature) the issue is the Davidic royal dynasty Gedalyahu doesn't count by any stretch. If the issue were independent sovereignty it wouldn't work at all as the Judean kingdom was vassal to Egypt, Assyria and Babylon at different moments in its history.

(But where is the Davidic line mentioned in Daniel 4 again?)

sir82,

I bet on 9 h 36 AM French time.

And 4 misspellings (as "c.wt.s." is too easy a key for scholar to cheat on).

Theocrat

OK, theocrat. If you can't be serious, I will just have to ask scholar.
Ask old Neb how his boy Evil-Merodach-Knievel is doing.

rofl ok...when he wakes up from his hangover I will. Nebbie stayed out too late last night. He thought it was funny when he left his "royal piss" in a houseplant after he stumbled home.

Theocrat

Really? What historians?
Not Josephus. The SEVENTY years of SERVITUDE (Antiquities 11:1:1) run from 609 B.C.E. (following the Assyrian Empire's crushing defeat at Haran and the subsequent vassalage of Judea to Babylon) until 539 B.C.E. (when Babylon itself was defeated). The FIFTY years of DESOLATION for the Temple (Apion 1:21) run from 587 B.C.E. (when Jerusalem and its Temple were destroyed) until 537 B.C.E. (when the foundations of the Temple were laid [second year of Cyrus]). The accounts in Josephus indicate that the temple (and Jerusalem) lay desolate FIFTY years (Apion 1:21), which fifty years were a part of the SEVENTY years of SERVITUDE (Antiquities 11:1:1). Apion 1:19 does NOT contradict this; it confirms that the fifty year's period of desolation occurred "during the interval of seventy years". The several deportations occurred at various times during the seventy years, but the SERVITUDE of Judea as a nation need not begin with any of the deportations as recorded in the Bible. The prophecies as recorded in Jeremiah do not even require deportation and exile at all: cf. Jer. 27:7,8,11-13,17; 38:17,18
The WTS' chronology is wrong not only because Jerusalem fell in 587 B.C.E., but more importantly, because Daniel chap. 4 has nothing to do with foreshadowing the Messianic Kingdom. See also Luke 21:8.
One might also add that the events predicted by Russell for 1914 (see Studies in the Scriptures, vol. II "The Time is at Hand" pp.76-78) did not occur, proving C. T. Russell a FALSE PROPHET (Deut. 18:20-22).

But I heard that Josephus liked to drink his own pee pee.

AuldSoul

Theocrat,

I'm going to type out a few factual statements (statements phrased as actuality) and you correct me where they are wrong:

(1) Jeremiah is presented in the Bible as being an eyewitness to the events he records, a contemporary to their occurrence.

(2) Jeremiah records that their were three exiles, one in the seventh year, one in the eighteenth year, and one twenty-third year of Nebuchadrezzar.

(3) Jeremiah, the eyewitness contemporary to the events, records that the total exiles taken in the first exile was 3,023 Jews.

(4) Jeremiah further records that the total exiles taken in the second exile amounted to 832 Jews.

(5) Finally, Jeremiah records that the final exile accounted for 745 Jews being removed from their homeleands.

(6) After recording this, to make sure there is no room for confusion on the point he adds quite specifically that all the souls taken amounted to 4,600.

You go ahead and correct this where you feel appropriate.

Respectfully,
AuldSoul

Sorry, another 607 question? I'm confused.

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