For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE

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  • thirdwitness
    thirdwitness

    Egypt's 40 year desolation prophecy

    T here is a third prophecy that totally and utterly fails in the 587-centered chronology of Christendom and the apostates. Photograph of Egyptian Pyramids

    One year before Jerusalem was destroyed, Jehovah said through the prophet Ezekiel, “I will make the land of Egypt a desolate waste in the midst of desolated lands; and its own cities will become a desolate waste in the very midst of devastated cities for forty years ; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations”Ezekiel 29:12 Ezekiel 29:12

    Yes, Egypt was to become a “desolate waste” with “devastated cities”, and this would last for “forty years”.

    The reason Ezekiel gave such a warning at that time was because many Jews thought they could escape the coming calamity by taking refuge in Egypt. Jeremiah warned them not to flee to Egypt for this very reason. “If you yourselves positively set your faces to enter into Egypt... to reside there as aliens, it must also occur that the very sword of which you are afraid will there catch up with you ... Do not enter into Egypt... I am sending and I will take Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon, my servant... And he must come in and strike the land of Egypt .”Jeremiah 42:15 , 16 , 19 , 43:10-11 Jeremiah 42:15, 16, 19, 43:10-11

    The desolation did not happen immediately after Ezekiel or Jeremiah made their prophecies. Some Jews did, in fact, flee to Egypt for safety. However, 16 years after the destruction of Jerusalem, Ezekiel announced that the time had come for Nebuchadnezzar to take Egypt.

    In “the twenty-seventh year... the word of Jehovah occurred to me, saying: “Son of man, Nebuchadrezzar himself, the king of Babylon, made his military force perform a great service against Tyre.” For this service, Jehovah rewards the King.

    “Here I am giving to Nebuchadnezzar the king of Babylon the land of Egypt , and he must carry off its wealth and make a big spoil of it and do a great deal of plundering of it; and it must become wages for his military force. As his compensation for service that he did against her I have given him the land of Egypt, because they acted for me”. – Ezekiel 29:17-20 Ezekiel 29:17-20

    Ezekiel 30:10 Ezekiel 30:10 confirms that it is Nebuchadnezzar who is to remove all the people from that land. “I will also cause the crowd of Egypt to cease by the hand of Nebuchadrezzar the king of Babylon.”

    Remember that Ezekiel earlier said that the desolation of Egypt would last “forty years”. Jehovah also said, “At the end of forty years I shall collect the Egyptians together out of the peoples among whom they will have been scattered, and I will bring back the captive group of the Egyptians ; and I will bring them back to the land of Pathros, to the land of their origin, and there they must become a lowly kingdom.”Ezekiel 29:13-14 Ezekiel 29:13-14

    So, from the prophecy we discern the following:

    1. Egypt would be desolated for 40 years ( Ezekiel 29:12 Ezekiel 29:12 )
    2. By Nebuchadnezzar ( Ezekiel 29:18 , 30:10 Ezekiel 29:18, 30:10 )
    3. It was desolated after Ezekiel's last prophecy against her in his 27th year of exile. ( Ezekiel 29:18 Ezekiel 29:18 )
    4. After the 40 years, Egypt will be a lowly Kingdom. ( Ezekiel 29:14 Ezekiel 29:14 )

    When did this happen? From the Bible record we can only assume it happened shortly after Ezekiel said Nebuchadnezzar was given Egypt as compensation for his attack on Tyre. Interestingly, secular chronology agrees. An ancient clay tablet now residing in the British Museum, known as the Nebuchadnezzar Inscription, talks about Nebuchadnezzar's action against Egypt in his 37th year. That would be two years after Ezekiel said Egypt would be given to Babylon by Jehovah. Chart
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    As you can see from our chart, in the 607-based chronology, Ezekiel makes his prophecy in 590 BCE, and Nebuchadnezzar's 37th year is two years later in 588 BCE when he attacks Egypt. We can assume the Nebuchadnezzar Inscription is correct on this point, because it agrees with our Biblical chronology. So Egypt's 40-year desolation begins in that year.

    Counting 40 years hence, we come to the year 548 BCE as the end of Egypt's desolation, when Jehovah would “bring back the captive group of the Egyptians” for them to become a “lowly kingdom”. Indeed, secular chronology also records that the last Babylonian King Nabonidus held an alliance against the Persians with Amasis II, the King of Egypt, in addition to the Lydian Empire. So far from being a competing world power, Egypt is now a “lowly Kingdom” just as the Bible said, resorting to military alliances with its previous opponent.

    We can see from the chart that the Bible chronology provided more than enough time for all of these events. Egypt has 40 full years of desolation, with more than enough time afterwards to be repatriated and to forge an alliance with Babylon as the secular records claim. Chart
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    However, as our other chart shows, the 587-based chronology of Egypt's desolation is a total mess.

    According to their chronology, the 27th year of Ezekiel's exile (when he made his final prophecy against Egypt) was in 570 BCE. Again, relying on the secular records, Egypt was attacked by Nebuchadnezzar in his 37th year, which is two years later, 568 BCE.

    All fine so far. But wait, just 21 years later the secular records say Egypt forged an alliance with Babylon! Worse still, the secular records say Cyrus conquers Babylon just another 8 years after that. The Bible says that Cyrus let all exiles go when he took power. Did he make an exception, that all exiles could leave and be repatriated except for Egyptians? The Bible doesn't mention anything of the sort.

    According to the secular chronology, any such desolation could have only lasted 21 years, perhaps 29 years if you toss out the secular evidence that Egypt forged an alliance with the last Babylonian King. So, there was no 40-year desolation of Egypt. If the 587-based chronology is to be believed, the extensive prophecies of Jeremiah and Ezekiel against Egypt failed miserably!

    Egypt was not “removed from its soil” for four decades at all, the cities were not “without an inhabitant”, and the country was, in fact, ruled over by a King who was strong enough to forge an alliance with Babylon and Lydia against the Medo-Persians. The prophecies of 40 years of desolation with the country being abandoned, are nothing more than a joke. The country even managed to remain independent from the Persian empire after it later conquered Babylon. Some 40 years of desolation and abandonment that turned out to be! For ways some have tried to explain away the problems, see Appendix G

    On the other hand, if one accepts the Bible's internal chronology that 607 is the date of Jerusalem's destruction, the 40 years of Egypt's abandonment fits perfectly. With the 607 date, Egypt has more than enough time to become repatriated and be ruled over by a King, to have a military alliance with Babylon and Lydia, and be strong enough to retain its independence against Medo-Persian rule for 14 years (as secular chronology also states).

    What will you accept? The chronology of secular historians who mould the Bible to fit their chronology, making inspired prophecies fail? Or will you accept the complete and harmonious Biblical chronology, which gives us a time-line without contradictions, showing the total fulfillment of every prophecy Jehovah gave us? Will you judge the accuracy of secular chronology against the occasions where it agrees with the Bible, or will you only judge the Bible correct if the secular evidence happens to agree with it?

    • Egypt was to be desolated for 40 years.
    • After repatriation, Egypt had an alliance with the last Babylonian King.
    • Cyrus let all exiles and prisoners free.
    • Only the 607-based chronology allows for this.

    Can you disprove this scripturally.

  • Honesty
    Honesty
    T here is a third prophecy that totally and utterly fails in the 587-centered chronology of Christendom and the apostates.

    Read the post above yours thirdwitness.

    Do the math.

    Look up the publications.

    Straight out of the mouth of the Watchtower's own publications is proof that Jerusalem fell in 587BC.

    You and scholar must have shared the same room at Bethel.

  • thirdwitness
    thirdwitness

    Straight out of the mouth of the Watchtower's own publications is proof that Jerusalem fell in 587BC.

    The wt is merely quoting secular authorities as to what they say. We realize that some either reigned longer than secular authorities say or there were other kings. We can add and we ain't ignorant. Now if you would be so kind as to look at the 40 year egyptian desolation and make this fit with 587 and show us why this is wrong.

  • VM44
    VM44

    When exactly was "Egypt's 40 year desolation"?

    Egypt was never desolated in the sense that the land of Judah is claimed to have been desolated.

    Egypt has continuously been inhabited since before the time of the pyramids!

    Something is not right in this attempt to "prove" the year 607BCE.

    --VM44

  • thirdwitness
    thirdwitness

    vm44, I guess you are saying this scripture was never fulfilled and Jehovah's word failed.

    Ezekiel 29: 11 There will not pass through it the foot of earthling man, nor will the foot of domestic animal pass through it, and for forty years it will not be inhabited. 12 And I will make the land of Egypt a desolate waste in the midst of desolated lands; and its own cities will become a desolate waste in the very midst of devastated cities for forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands.”

  • rassillon
    rassillon

    One minor point TW, are you going to tell me that Egypt was completely desolated (according to the prophecy, completely desolated) then one year after that prophecy of "complete" desolation ends, they had an army that was large enough that a world power would make an alliance with them?

  • VM44
    VM44

    I am only trying to understand things.

    Ezekiel did make the prophecy about Egypt's desolation. Why is there no record of it?

    If a prophecy is fullfilled, but then there is no record of the fullfillment, then the whole purpose of the prophecy is defeated, that is, to demonstrate God's knowledge of future events.

    So the question is.....Is there any historical evidence of Egypt's desolation?

    --VM44

  • VM44
    VM44

    The topic of 607 vs 587 has become ridiculous!

    Why? Because just here at JWD there are about a THOUSAND pages concerning this topic...and the discussion still goes on!

    Can this question ever be answered once and for all?

    --VM44

  • Dansk
    Dansk
    Can this question ever be answered once and for all?

    For the intelligent, truly honest person it has been answered numerous times. For the mind-controlled JW it never will be!

    Ian

  • mineralogist
    mineralogist

    It is right in first sentences that one won't need to read on:

    Most secular historians point to 587/586-B.C.E. [...] Can the Bible prove or disprove either date?

    and then

    Most historians agree that 539-B.C.E. is the date of the overthrow of Babylon, for there is much evidence pointing to this. So, it is called an absolute date.

    So if much evidence is pointing to 539 and the same evidence is pointing to 587 - why do they hold the one and try to disprove the other?

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