For f###s sake, ThirdWitness, Leolaia has allready explained this to you. Even prophecies in the Bible can be annulled, thanks to Yahwehs kindness, you know, if they repent and mend their ways, etc, and she has given you examples! Sometimes these prophecies are just threats. Sometimes they are to be fulfilled later. If the historical evidence shows that Egypt was never desolated for 40 years, then we must assume that either it is meant to happen later (after all, "Babylon" still exists, doesn`t it, within your WTS-induced coma), or it happened in a "limited" way, or symbolic, or that the prophecy must have been annulled (for some reason, because this happens in the Bible). They have explained these things to you over more than 300 posts now, and you just repeat yourself, and i doesn`t penetrate your thick skull. For Gods sake, you are as thick as an average bulldog, aren`t you. Either that, or you are just a troll.
For those not sick to death of talking about this...607 BCE
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AuldSoul
Was Egypt desolated for 40 years without inhabitant during Neb's rule like the Bible prophecied it would be?
NO!
(1) Egypt was NOT attacked by Nebuchadnezzar during or prior his 3rd regnal year, which would be the only possible way Egypt could have spent 40 years without inhabitant during Nebuchadnezzar's reign, since his reign only lasted 43 years.
(2) The Bible NEVER prophesied that this period must fit within Nebuchadnezzar's reign, so your question sets up a pre-falsified criterion.
You aren't very good at this logic thing, are you? I answered you already. Did you read my answer?
AuldSoul
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Jeffro
thirdwitness,
You are very eager to have everyone believe that an exact 40 years of desolation befell Egypt, so since you are so concerned about numbers being fulfilled exactly, surely you would be concerned that the bible unequivocally places the return of the Jews in the year 538. Therefore, do you believe that the Jews returned to Jerusalem in 537? If so, please explain how Tishri of 537 can fall, as aptly put by 'scholar', "in the first year of Cyrus from Nisan 538-Nisan 537".
You want someone to come up with a solution that employs an exact 40 years for Egypt, but the fact is the secular evidence doesn't indicate that it happened, and the bible provides no clear indication of when such a period either began or ended, or whether it actually eventuated at all. It is possible that the 40 years were intended as symbolic. It is also possible that a 40-year desolation was a potential judgement that might befall Egypt. And there are many instances where numbers are misreported in the bible (compare the following pairs of scriptures: 2 Samuel 24:24, 1 Chronicles 21:22-25; 2 Samuel 24:9, 1 Chronicles 21:5; 1 Kings 4:26, 2 Chronicles 9:25; 1 Kings 5:16, 2 Chronicles 2:2; 1 Kings 7:15-22, 2 Chronicles 3:15-17; 1 Kings 7:26, 2 Chronicles 4:5; 1 Kings 9:28, 2 Chronicles 8:18; 1 Kings 16:6-8, 2 Chronicles 16:1; 1 Kings 16:23, 1 Kings 16:28-29; 2 Kings 8:25-26, 2 Chronicles 22:2), so it is quite possible that the mention of 40 is just a plain old error. So claiming that the only possible scenario is a literal 40-year period of desolation of Egypt is a bit narrow-minded to say the least.
We do know for an absolute fact that Tyre was indeed rebuilt, and stands as an active city to this day.
I like to deal with the information that the bible does provide, and using such information, I have found that the known secular history is completely compatible. What is more, I composed my biblical chronology from the bible before even looking at any secular data.
I can speak with the confidence of being absolutely right on this issue largely because I have nothing to lose by being wrong. I don't need to end up with any particular result, because I don't rely on a doctrine for an organization's circular-referential appeal to its own authority. I know I'm right because what I have said fits the facts, rather than trying to make the facts fit a preconceived chronology.
I have previously indicated a host of other problems with the Society's 607 doctrine, and you are welcome to read about them in previous posts.
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AuldSoul
Auldsoul ask: Do you have ANY evidence that Nebuchadnezzar completely depopulated Egypt for 40 years and dispersed the Egyptians to foreign nations, yes or no?
Yes.
Because you seem to have a rather limited grasp of grammatical construction, I feel the need to point out that I asked whether you have evidence that such depopulation and dispersion OCCURRED, as opposed to simply evidence that it was prophesied to occur.
There are a few Scriptural examples of prophecies that were true and whose outcomes were averted by several different means. Since this is the case, the presence of a prophecy does not ensure a fulfillment, especially as it relates to the timing of fulfillment, à la Jonah's prophecy against Nineveh.
I am still awaiting your evidence. You may think reciting Scripture IS evidence, but as Jonah's account demonstrates a true prophecy uttered does not a fulfillment make. You said you have evidence of the fulfillment, please demonstrate it. I have moderate facility with this logic thing, so I am easily capable of spotting your logical flaws.
AuldSoul
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jayhawk1
Thirdwitness said,
Auldsoul ask: Do you have ANY evidence that Nebuchadnezzar completely depopulated Egypt for 40 years and dispersed the Egyptians to foreign nations, yes or no?
I want to see this evidence. Please share it with us.Yes.
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jayhawk1
Scolar, I am still waiting for that list of "Celebrated Watchtower Scholars" I asked for.
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AuldSoul
thridwitness,
Since we've been 'round and 'round this Mulberry bush, what say you and I change tack for a bit? I made a thread just for you and other scholarly/pseudo-scholarly types.
Here it is: thirdwitness and other pseudo-scholars: Let's discuss the Hillah Stele
I would enjoy reading your take on this remarkable piece of ANE evidence.
AuldSoul
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thirdwitness
The Bible clearly said Tyre would at some point be destroyed and never be rebuilt. It is an interesting question as to how this would be fulfilled?
Here are different interpretations:
1. The ancient Phoenecian city of Tyre was never rebuilt. It was rebuilt but not under that empire.
2. It was never rebuilt to its former glory.
3. It was never rebuilt because the mainland city was cast into the sea when Alexander built the causeway and therefore couldn't be rebuilt.
4. The site of the ancient ruins and underwater ruins is testimony that it was not rebuilt.
But I keep wondering why is this being discussed on a thread about 607. It seems there could only be one reason since it is 587 proponents who want to discuss it. What would that be?
To prove that the Bible cannot be totally relied upon. We must put the secular evidence above the Bible. Please correct me if I am wrong. But if that is not the reason then why isn't this being discussed on another thread entitled 'What does it mean that Tyre would never be rebuilt'? Why is it being brought up by proponents of 587 to disprove 607?
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thirdwitness
What evidence do I have of the 40 year desolation of Egypt? I have the ultimate evidence, the highest possible evidence that can be attained. I have the word of Jehovah. I have presented it already but here it is in short:
Ezekiel 29: 10 I will make the land of Egypt devastated places, 11 There will not pass through it the foot of earthling man, ...for forty years it will not be inhabited. 12 ... its own cities will become a desolate waste ...for forty years; and I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations ;
Ezekiel 30: 10 ‘I will also cause the crowd of Egypt to cease by the hand of Neb·u·chad·rez´zar the king of Babylon. 23 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations 25 And I will strengthen the arms of the king of Babylon, and the very arms of Phar´aoh will fall; 26 And I will scatter the Egyptians among the nations and disperse them among the lands; ...’”
Ezekiel 32: 11 ‘The very sword of the king of Babylon will come upon you. ... 15 “‘When I make the land of Egypt a desolate waste ...when I strike down all the inhabitants in it,
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fullofdoubtnow
1. The ancient Phoenecian city of Tyre was never rebuilt. It was rebuilt but not under that empire.
2. It was never rebuilt to its former glory.
3. It was never rebuilt because the mainland city was cast into the sea when Alexander built the causeway and therefore couldn't be rebuilt.
4. The site of the ancient ruins and underwater ruins is testimony that it was not rebuilt.
But I keep wondering why is this being discussed on a thread about 607. I
Why indeed, and the same question could be asked:
Why are we discussing the alleged 40 - year desolation of Egypt on a thread about 607?
Perhaps we know the reason - YOU want to discuss it 3w.