Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.

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  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul
    learntoswim: they may not have viewed it as becoming part of an organisation under judgement by god, rather merely registering with a dept to get a library card.

    They didn't register with the UN/DPI. That is a lie that the Watchtower Society tells to cover up the true nature of the relationship they formed. They associated themselves to the UN/DPI. They became an Associate member of the UN/DPI. Thus, the "Criteria for Association" to which they themselves refer. Thus the statement by Paul Hoeffel stating that they applied for assocation (no one applies for registration) and, after ten years, requested disassociation (registration would not require such a request). Someone cannot disassociate from something to which they are not attached as an Associate. For instance, I diassassociated myself from Jehovah's Witnesses, but in order for me to do so I first had to be a part of Jehovah's Witnesses, joined to that group.

    From Merriam-Webster Online:

    Main Entry: as·so·ciate
    Function: adjective
    1 : closely connected (as in function or office) with another
    2 : closely related especially in the mind
    3 : having secondary or subordinate status <associate membership in a society>

    Main Entry: as·so·ci·ate
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): -at·ed; -at·ing
    transitive verb
    1 : to join as a partner, friend, or companion
    2 obsolete : to keep company with : ATTEND
    3 : to join or connect together : COMBINE
    4 : to bring together or into relationship in any of various intangible ways (as in memory or imagination)
    intransitive verb
    1 : to come or be together as partners, friends, or companions
    2 : to combine or join with other parts : UNITE
    synonym see JOIN

    This is not a matter of mere semantics. Associating is inseperable from the concept of closely joining, uniting, and/or combining. Registration does not carry that meaning at all, and would not have been inappropriate according to the Watchtower Society's standards.

    If I wished to view the artwork in the Basilica of St. Peter, I could do so anytime I wanted as a JW, even if registering at the front door was required. But if a Vatican representative told me (as a JW) that I first had to submit an application to associate to the Vatican prior to viewing the artwork, it would not matter how badly I wanted to see the artwork the nature of the relationship would be inappropriate due to the om/od book quote I referenced—even though that publication was not referring specifically to religious associations.

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    BTW, learntoswim, a representative at the Service Desk who was advising the local body on how to handle me was asked by my father to read the entire application submitted to the UN/DPI Committee on NGOs (absent the information they put into the form). Question 17 asked: "For what purpose is your organization seeking association to the UN/DPI?"

    Any answer to that question other than "We aren't seeking association to the UN/DPI" constitutes a violation of the om/od book quote and a direct expression of wanting to be a "friend of the world" according to the Governing Body's published standards.—James 4:4

    Respectfully,
    AuldSoul

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    AuldSoul is correct in that the WTS as a NGO associated with the DPI.

    I have tried my best to show all of the documents at this web site including a discussion of this so-called library card defence. Always keep in mind that every year from 1992 to 2001 the WTS had to re-apply to the Department of Public Information and provide the department with documents that they used to dissimenate information about the UN. This included Ciro and Lloyd and also Johnston having to sign the application forms on annual basis which was shown in the various Directories of NGOs associated with DPI.

    http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/united-nations-disassociates.html

    hawk

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    In the web site provided by Thirdwitness I note the following comment:

    In an earlier chapter we discussed how apostates try to hide the difference between ECOSOC NGOs (which consult the UN on its policies) and DPI NGOs (who have access to UN research materials) — with one prominent apostate ignorantly claiming the difference is “irrelevant”. In this case, the same old tactic is used.

    Here's the problem. In order to be associated with the UN's DPI one had to agree to VOLUNTARILY agree with the DPI's criteria. Present criteria and past criteria required the "associated" NGO to voluntarily "support" and "respect" the ideals of United Nations Charter and to prove their support to the UN by distributing and promoting UN documents and activities to their membership. In fact the UN's Committee Resolutions issued in 1968 and updated in 1996 actually require the "associate" NGOs to "conform" (or obey) to the spirit, purposes and principles of the UN Charter.

    Knowingly supporting the UN Charter is considered a non-neutral activity that would require the immediate expulsion and shunning of a Witness as outlined in Unit 5 (a) of the Elder's handbook titled Pay Attention to Yourselves and to All The Flock published in 1991 by the Watchtower. Yet, it seems the Watchtower has never officially informed its Rank and File about what DPI calls a "partnership" and why they were publishing the UN promotional material in Watchtower's magazines (example: November 22, 1998 edition of Awake!).

    References can be found here: http://corior.blogspot.com/2006/02/united-nations-disassociates.html

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    It is my understanding that the WTS didn't have to join the UN at all to have access to the UN Library...is that so?

  • stevenyc
    stevenyc

    In reply to thirdwitness's site:

    In chapter one he implies that there are two seperate types of NGO's. One for the department of information and a second for the ECOSOC. And that only NGO'c associated with ECOSOC status have to prove its work directly related to the UN's agenda:

    Chapter One: Know Your NGOs!
    When you hear that the Watchtower Society was a United Nations NGO, you may not be aware that there is actually more than one kind of NGO. This fact is important, and is often deliberately obscured by those who try to condemn and criticize the Society.
    “For an NGO to be recognized by the United Nations, however, there are requirements, and even two statuses for which an NGO might apply. The DPI status is under the authority of the U.N. Department of Public Information (UNDPI), which controls U.N. archives and research facilities...
    “The other status for which the NGOs may apply is ECOSOC (Economic and Social Council) status. The U.N. Website says that to obtain ECOSOC standing an NGO must prove that its work is directly relevant to U.N. goals. With ECOSOC standing an NGO may enter into a formal consultative relationship with access to officials of U.N. member states and must provide useful or special information to the U.N. Economic and Social Council...”

    This is just not true. All NGO's are associated with the department of information. And all NGO's are required to promote the UN agenda and give evidence of such promotion. What thirdwitness omits is the following:

    From the UN. What the watchtower agreed:http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf

    Recently the NGO Section has been receiving numerous inquiries regarding the association of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York
    with the Department of Public Information (DPI). This organization applied for association with DPI in 1991 and was granted association in 1992. By accepting association with DPI, the organization agreed to meet criteria for association, including support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities.

    "The principal purpose of association of non-governmental organizations with the United Nations Department of Public Information is the redissemination of information in order to increase public understanding of the principles, activities and achievements of the United Nations and its Agencies. Consequently, it is important that you should keep us informed about your organization's information programme as it relates to the United Nations, including sending us issues of your relevant publications. We are enclosing a brochure on the "The United Nations and Non-Governmental Organizations", which will give you some information regarding the NGO relationship."

    In addition, the criteria for NGOs to become associated with DPI include the following:

    1. that the NGO share the principles of the UN Charter;
    2. • operate solely on a not-for-profit basis;
    3. • have a demonstrated interest in United Nations issues and a proven ability to reach large or specialized audiences, such as educators, media representatives, policy makers and the business community;

    So, is it only NGO's with ECOSOC status that require support of the UN charter? Apparently not. The requirements are for all associated NGO's.

    http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/about-ngo-assoc.html

    About NGO Association with the UN

    Non-governmental organizations have been partners of the Department of Public Information (DPI) since its establishment in 1947. Official relationships between DPI and NGOs date back to 1968. The Economic and Social Council in its resolution 1297 called on DPI to associate NGOs with effective information programmes in place and thus disseminate information about issues on the UN’s agenda and the work of the Organization. Through associated NGOs DPI seeks to reach people around the world and help them better understand the work and aims of the United Nations.

    Currently there are 1533 NGOs with strong information programmes associated with DPI out of which 634 are also associated with ECOSOC. While consultative status with ECOSOC may be obtained by NGOs whose work covers issues on the agenda of ECOSOC, association with DPI also requires having effective information programmes in place and the ability and means to disseminate information about the work of the United Nations.

    NGO responsibilities: http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/ngo-partnership.html

    Associated NGOs through their information programmes are expected to
    promote knowledge of the principles and activities of the United Nations
    disseminate information about the United Nations and its work to their constituencies
    keep the DPI/NGO Section informed about their UN-related activities by submitting a report every four years
    fill out an accreditation form every year
    Please note that association of NGOs with DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status.

    Criteria for association with DPI: http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/criteria.html

    the NGO must support and respect the principles of the Charter of the UN and have a clear mission statement with those principles
    the NGO must be recognized nationally or internationally
    the NGO should operate solely on a not-for-profit basis and have tax-exempt status
    the NGO must have the commitment and the means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents about UN activities
    the NGO should have an established record of continuity of work for a minimum of three years and should show promise of sustained activity in the future
    the NGO should have a satisfactory record of collaboration with UN Information Centres/Services or other parts of the UN System prior to association
    the NGO should provide an audited annual financial statement, conducted by a qualified, independent accountant
    the NGO should have statutes/by-laws providing for a transparent process of making decisions, elections of officers and members

    Evaluation and review process:http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/criteria.html

    Associated NGOs undergo a specifically designed evaluation and review process, which is two-fold.

    The DPI Committee on NGOs, which decides on association and disassociation, meets twice a year, in June/July and December. The Committee reviews new applications and decides on the status of currently associated NGOs that no longer meet the criteria.

    Every four years associated NGOs are required to submit:
    a completed evaluation form, which is sent to all associated NGOs at the beginning of the four year period
    a quadrennial report of their UN-related activities
    at least three samples of their UN-related information materials

    This is taken from the guidelines the EVERY NGO must submit every 4 years : http://www.un.org/esa/coordination/ngo/

    on-governmental organizations in General and Special consultative status with ECOSOC must submit to the Committee on Non-Governmental Organizations, every fourth year, a brief report of their activities, in particular regarding their contribution to the work of the United Nations

    And finally, http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/ngo-un/rest-un/2001/1030j.htm

    Jehovah's Witnesses Quit UN Affiliation
    after 10 year Relationship with UN Made Public

    October 30, 2001

    Responding to criticism from current and former members the Watch Tower Society (parent organization for Jehovah's Witnesses) this month withdrew its formal association with the United Nations as a NGO (non-government affiliate organization). The Watch Tower Society had quietly affiliated with the UN in 1991 in an agreement to "support the Charter" of the United Nations--also agreeing to promote the UN among its members.

    Watch Tower publications have long labeled the UN as one of the "beasts" of the biblical book of Revelation--the archenemy of the kingdom of God. Some critics of the 6 million member denomination, well known for its aggressive door to door missionary work, believe this is the greatest scandal to hit Watch Tower leadership. "It's comparable to a Catholic finding out that the Vatican had privately agreed to support Planned Parenthood and abortion rights, "stated ex-member David Brown of Central Point, Oregon.

    The refusal of Witnesses to salute a flag, perform military service, vote or hold public office has often brought them official persecution. Apparently, the Watch Tower Society's affiliation with the United Nations was to get help in their religious freedom struggles. "Their affiliation with the UN as a NGO was much more than just registering with the UN to get help for their members," says Brown.

    In a letter explaining the sect's withdrawal as a UN affiliate, UN official Paul Hoeffel states that NGO membership involves "support and respect of the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and commitment and means to conduct effective information programmes with its constituents and to a broader audience about UN activities." The Watch Tower Society's affiliation with the UN gave them political clout, status and connections they could not have had otherwise. The connection was not announced in Witness publications and was only recently discovered when it was noticed that the Watch Tower Society was listed on a UN webpage as a NGO member.

    The public criticism of this connection led to the Watch Tower's disassociation as a UN affiliate. "In October 2001, the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York requested termination of its association with DPI[Department of Public Information of the UN]. Following this request, the DPI has made decisions to disassociate the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York as of 9 October 2001," explains UN official Hoeffel.

    Membership as a NGO of the UN required annual re-certification. "There have been several seemingly positive articles in the Witnesses' news magazine Awake! discussing the UN in the past few years. It seemed out of character to read such things in Watch Tower publications but it didn't make sense why they were there until now," says Brown. "The Society's Writing Department evidently used UN press releases for Awake! articles and then they could submit these to show they were informing their members of UN activities and keep their NGO membership."

    Ex-members and many current members feel this was hypocrisy of the highest caliber. Witness theology has understood the United Nations as "the disgusting thing that causes desolation" (from Matthew's gospel) and as "the image of the wild beast" from Revelation chapter 13. Witnesses believe that all other religions have prostituted themselves to the UN (their interpretation of "Babylon the Great" riding the "scarlet colored wild beast" in Revelation chapter 17) and that soon the UN will turn on "false religion" (all other religions) and destroy them. Improbable as that scenario is the Witnesses believe that because of their "strict neutrality in political affairs" they will not be affected when the UN acts to destroy "false religion" (this being the immediate predecessor of Armageddon).

    "Most Witnesses have no idea that for the past 10 years the Watch Tower Society was certified as an affiliate organization of the UN along with Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants and other religious bodies promoting its agenda just as the other religions promote theirs," says Brown. "Actually, I think this was a positive development in the history of Jehovah's Witnesses. Unfortunately, it was hypocritical to do so while demonizing the UN in their doctrinal publications. Sadder still, the Watch Tower organization continues to maintain a policy that effectively excommunicates members who get involved in any political activity."

    The first official reply from a Watch Tower official was made by Paul Gillies of the Witnesses' branch office in Britian on October 22nd: membership as a NGO was simply a result of "getting a library card" at the UN facilities in New York. Gillies did not explain the annual re-certification process for NGO members which the Watch Tower Society participated in. Nor did he comment on the numerous articles in Awake! which promoted the UN.

    "This was not a one-time application the Watch Tower Society made where they didn't realize what they were doing," says Brown. "This was a relationship renewed yearly resulting in their news magazine doing PR for the UN. This relationship resulted in favorable UN support for the Witnesses' human rights struggles."

    steve

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    It is my understanding that the WTS didn't have to join the UN at all to have access to the UN Library...is that so?
    That is absolutely correct. I highlighted all of that in my essay that I linked above. Also if you go back in time either here or at Randy's freeminds.org site you can see different links on how one can access any material in the UN library without the need of the DPI associated status. All I need to do is go to my Queen's University library in Kingston Ontario. Since they are linked into the UN library and have a portion of the library donated to the UN, I can get any book, phamphlet letter or other item from the UN library in New York to review. Some of the arguments used by JW leaders and those who are closed minded JWs in this UN issue are pathetic. The facts are the JW leadership slammed all other religions for associating with the UN, allowed many JWs to be killed in Malawi for not obtaining a 25 cent government party card and disfellowshipped those JWs who would support a country's government or the UN. Then the leadership turned around and pulled this crap and as for an excuse they said is was okay to assicate with the beast all for a ... library card. Think about that for a second. It's okay for the leadership to violate their rules to get a library card but not for the average JW under threat of death to get a 25 cent party card of the Malawian Government Give me a F___ing break. Frankly, those who were responsible for this UN issue and the coverup after 2001 should be fired from their position. But then again this is the JW leadership we are talking about ... a totalitarian regime who seems more interested in protecting pedophiles and keeping the congregation clean. hawk

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.

    Agreed. The use of the word "prostitution" implies the UN provided the Watchtower with compensation for the spiritual fornication. As hawkaw pointed out, such association with the UN was not required for access to library materials. But the Watchtower did perform a service for the UN by disseminating favourable information about the UN to its members.

    In other words, the Watchtower is nothing more than a cheap, diseased slut.

    W

  • jayhawk1
    jayhawk1
    In other words, the Watchtower is nothing more than a cheap, diseased slut.

    This got a quick giggle out of me.

  • TopHat
    TopHat

    Reminds me of the OLD song .....Flat foot floogie with a floy, floy,
    Flat foot floogie with a floy, floy,
    Floy, floy, floy, yeah!

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