by thirdwitness 597 Replies latest watchtower scandals
Why do you let 3rd witness wind you all up..............................he is having such a laugh..................dont reply , ............hell soon get fedup
I just wonder what hes like in REAL life.....................I wouldnt burp on him..............
Why do you let 3rd witness wind you all up..............................he is having such a laugh..................dont reply , ............hell soon get fedup
I 've come to that conclusion as well, vitty. T - wit is no differrent to all the other jws who come on here. They instigate a discussion then hide behind wts dogma when anyone tries to debate them. He knows he isn't going to get any of us to go back to the wts with his reasoning, but while he draws us into pointless debates with him, we might be ignoring a genuine plea for help from a sincere poster. That, I imagine, may well be part of his agenda.
It appears thirdwitness' site is getting publicity by various JW sites. A suggestion: we set up a site that carefully and thoroughly counters his/her arguments using some of the best of this thread.
Auldsoul and others talk as if the WT's association with the DPI meant they were a member of the UN. Jehovah's Witnesses have certainly never been a part of the United Nations, despite what many misinformed people may claim. Even when the Watchtower Society was a DPI NGO, the UN itself clearly stated to all such organizations that the “association of NGOs with the DPI does not constitute their incorporation into the United Nations system, nor does it entitle associated organizations or their staff to any kind of privileges, immunities or special status.” The very idea that access to the DPI's resources — although many and varied — was some sort of “political partnership” or “political alliance” as many of our critics claim, is not based in reality.
The DPI has never made any associated NGO organization “part of the UN” or gained that organization any kind of special treatment. This may be the case with ECOSOC NGOs, but certainly not with DPI NGO's in the 1990's!
And as respects sharing the 'ideals of the UN' you are overlooking one little thing.
Even the 1996 resolution by the ECOSOC concerning an ECOSOC NGO’s support of the UN makes the following statement about that type of NGO (remember, the Society was not an ECOSOC NGO):
“3. The organization shall undertake to support the work of the United Nations and to promote knowledge of its principles and activities, in accordance with its own aims and purposes and the nature and scope of its competence and activities.”Note that even an ECOSOC NGO, which is in a consultative relationship with the UN, isn't even obligated to support all the work of the UN. It says its support must be “in accordance with its own aims and purposes”. This means that the particular ECOSOC NGO would not support all the aims of the UN, but only those “aims and purposes” in the “scope of its competence and activities.”
In the case of Jehovah's Witnesses, those ‘aims and purposes’ would be in the field of religious freedom and human rights. That is the “scope of its competence and activities.” There is certainly nothing wrong with supporting that type of work and using whatever avenues are available for assistance. Further, if this qualified definition of “support” applied to the consultative-status ECOSOC NGO's, how much more qualified the definition of “support” must be to the DPI NGOs which enjoy no such status.
Of course, one of the main interests of the UN is human rights. If the UN wants to come to the aid of brothers being persecuted for their religious beliefs, should we not support that? The UN has not yet attacked God's people and proved itself to be an enemy of God. Did not Paul appeal to Rome when he was being persecuted? Yes — did he not use the legal system of a government which later proved to be the foretold “disgusting thing”, to advance true worship?
Done4good: Secondly, the lack of an explanation to the R&F, (and threatening of df'ing for even ASKING about it), does not put the WT in a good light. Again, any honest person can see this. Why don't you try to take an honest look at yourself for once.
You exaggerate greatly. There is no threatening of df'ing for even ASKING about it. And I doubt that more than 1 out of 10,000 witnesses even know about it. Why would the WT publish some big long explanation about it. Anyone who wishes to inquire gets the explanation and are not threatened with DFing for asking about it.
I doubt that anyone has ever been DFed for only thinking that the WT did wrong in becoming associated with the DPI. Or for that matter for only disagreeing with 1914. Because once a person heads down that road they disagree with many things and want to tell their friends about it as well.
Why don't you try to take an honest look at yourself for once.
It depends on what the meaning of "is" is.
Repost for ThirdWitness:
You highlighted some of the ideals and did not highlight others. Do you share the UN ideal to "maintain international peace and security" and "to acheive international cooperation in solving economic, social, and cultural problems"? Don't Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only God's Kingdom can do those things and that the UN is guilty of acting as a counterfeit of what only God's Kingdom can truly achieve?
Do you share those ideals?
Just spreading the truth.
Hallowed are the Ori.
BTW, I have come to HATE the phrase "spreading the truth." Especialy when it comes to future Kool-Aid drinking automatons. Now think of the nastiest word you can think of ending with ING, and put Jehovah's Witnessess after it!
I, thirdwitness, share these ideals. Just what are those ideals of the UN? “to maintain international peace and security; to suppress acts of aggression that threaten world peace; to encourage friendly relations among nations; to protect the fundamental freedoms of all peoples without discrimination based on race, sex, language, or religion; and to achieve international cooperation in solving economic, social, and cultural problems."Does the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses share those same ideals? They most certainly do — and have done so for years before the UN formed! It is understandable why NGOs should share these same ideals, for the UN would not want to assist or help any organization which promotes contrary ideas.
Do you share these ideals? Or are you for war, discrimination, genocide, curtailing of freedom and liberties, religious intolerance etc etc?
This reminds me a little of the Declaration of Facts Jehovah's Witnesses made in Nazi-Germany:
"A careful examination of our books and literature will disclose the fact that the very high ideals held and promulgated by the present national government are set forth in and endorsed and strongly emphasized in our publications, and show that Jehovah God will see to it that these high ideals in due time will be attained by all persons who love righteousness and who obey the Most High. Instead, therefore, of our literature and our work's being a menace to the principles of the present government we are the strongest supporters of such high ideals."
In the next section they were bashing the League of Nations.
