Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.

by thirdwitness 597 Replies latest watchtower scandals

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket
    I think they joined in an attempt to protect properties that were being destroyed

    Heathen, isn't that what they call "taking the mark of the beast"?

  • heathen
    heathen

    Actually it's the second beast that gives the mark to everybody .666 .I don't remember the exact definition they gave . I think the mark is more symbolic than literal , They expect everybody to support and obey every legal and moral edict that they contrive .In fact their ways are not anywhere close to those of true christians . I've even heard government officials talk about some sort of moral code they adhere to but I don't see any written code . The government was never intended to be in charge moral standards and such but seems to have moved it's way into those areas. However many people seem to think it will be literal such as having microchips implanted on the body . Hidden codes in documents and the like .

  • MsMcDucket
    MsMcDucket
    Hidden codes in documents and the like .

    The Watchtower has all of that. Theocratic warfare, the Elder's manual (or whatever you call it), hidden facts about their past history, shunning people that find out about the Watchtower's past history, etc...

  • Jourles
    Jourles

    I've posted this experience a few times before and it's always worth mentioning on UN threads like this:

    Back during my local elder's witch hunt(for me), I had the PO(he is also the city overseer for Lansing) tell me point blank that one of the possible reasons for the WTS joining as an NGO was because of the Iron Curtain falling. After the former USSR broke up, it could have allowed the WTS to come into those new countries with their NGO status. Without that particular status, they might have had a tougher time getting in.

    This has, and will always be(to me at least), the most logical conclusion I have yet to hear. Mind you, this wasn't my idea at all -- it was my old PO's opinion! When he told me this, I was at a loss for words.

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    For years prior to 1991 when the Watchtower Society applied for association into the U.N.'s Department of Public Information (DPI), it had been writing articles on the U.N., albeit unfavorable. What were their sources then? And why the sudden need to consult the U.N.'s library? They claim that there was no criteria when they first applied. They also claim that the head of DPI is either mistaken or trying to cover up his ineptness by giving criteria that is now in effect and not at the first. They also claim that DPI is misinterpreting resolutions that apply only to the Economic and Social Council and doesn't really apply to DPI. Lots of claims. I wish I could contact an Ngo that applied at the same time the Watchtower did and see if they feel that they were under no criteria.

    Yet even if the Society would turn out to be correct that their only reason was to use the Library, how did they imagine that no one would be stumbled over this? As it turns out many were. So, who is to blame for that?

  • serendipity
    serendipity

    Fred Franz died in 1991, didn't he? Evidently other 'brothers' didn't feel as strongly about the UN as he did. Also, even if they joined using the 'library card' excuse or to get access to former USSR, how do they explain the 5 or 6 NGO's established? Wouldn't one have been enough?

  • Flash
    Flash

    jgnat

    I am convinced the WTBTS registered as an NGO in order to better represent their interests (freedom of speech, freedom of religion) in some of the more oppresive parts of the world.

    Jourles

    This has, and will always be(to me at least), the most logical conclusion I have yet to hear. Mind you, this wasn't my idea at all -- it was my old PO's opinion! When he told me this, I was at a loss for words.

    No offense to either of you...The end doesn't justify the means AND wont be accepted by Christ. Matthew 7: 22, 23, and 23: 27, 28 ............................................................................. DannyHaszard That picture says it ALL. That is EXACTLY how it is!

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Why does the person or persons who established this site feel that they have to come to the WT Society's defense? Why don't they just encourage the Society to explain for themselves?

    It seems that their reasoning is similar to this- "I only went into this topless bar to gather information, not to join myself to a harlot."

  • Kenneson
    Kenneson

    To those that feel that the Society's real reason in associating with the DPI was for human rights or other purposes, you must remember that DPI has no other function than promoting information on the U.N. It's the informational arm of the U.N. It has no influence in those other arenas. To qualify for consultative status with the Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC), which could have given the Society a voice in those matters, they would have had to apply for approval. There is no evidence that I have seen that they did.

  • jgnat
    jgnat

    Well, flash, that would matter only if you bought in to the whole "UN is the harlot" thingy. I don't see any indications that the UN is hostile towards religion. It's neutral at worst.

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