by thirdwitness 597 Replies latest watchtower scandals
thirdwitness:
You started two threads within 15 minutes in similar fashion i.e. simply providing a link to another site - no 'discussion', nothing.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/117658/2065589/post.ashx#2065589
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/117659/2065611/post.ashx#2065611
We call this trolling.
No more will be allowed to stand.
"A prominent UK apostate admitted to me that he had no problem at all with the NGO affiiliation (and actually thought that it was a responsible and clever move by the WTS) , but it struck a cord with the newbies because it implied that the WTS had "covered up" , so he was happy to run with it. "A useful tool for useful fools" was his fascinating description."
Really, Dopey? And who perchance might this mysterious "prominent" apostate be and why would a watchtower apologist such as yourself be associating with him/her? Provide a name, reference or citation, otherwise you are just talking out of your arse......again....
"A responsible and clever move by the WTS" ??? Yeah, sure he said that. Thats utterly absurd. When you push a lie too far, it soon becomes evident you are full of crap.
Chapter 9 of this site cites Robert King as the "source." Is that true? If not, that would mean the author is using ad hominem tactics to establish his case. Not very impressive.
3rdWitless,your kidding right?Have you ever been a baptised active Jehovahs Witness?...Only a moron would start a thread like this..By thier own RULES,WBTS should never associated with the UN in any way,shape or form.A JW child knows this,as they are taught it from a very early age..The WatchTower Bible and Tract society is a Whore by thier own definition,no one else`s.It would appear you are the Whores Chearleader...OUTLAW
Jehovah's Witnesses teach that whether an action is righteous or unrighteous cannot be tinted by motive, only the appropriate response can be tinted by motive. Let's look at the facts of actions and then determine if they are righteous or unrighteous:
(1) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. voluntarily applied in 1991 to become an Associate to the UN Department of Public Information (UN/DPI). An "Associate" is a class of membership available only to non-governmental organizations. This is a membership, not to the UN, but to the UN/DPI. It does not grant any special status nor any privileges relative to the UN, but it does grant special status and privilege relative to the UN/DPI. An Associate member is a part of the organization they joined. Otherwise, what point would there be in Associating to the UN/DPI?
(2) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. was approved as an Associate to the UN/DPI and received their Associate credentials in February of 1992.
(3) These UN/DPI membership credentials were used routinely by representatives of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc.
(4) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. maintained this Associate membership until October 2001, almost ten years.
(5) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. requested termination of their Association to the UN/DPI during the same month in which a UK paper (The Guardian) released an exposé on the 10-year membership.
(6) The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society has repeatedly chosen to deny that the organization ever was an Associate member to the UN/DPI, preferring instead to call their relationship a "registration" which has never been a possibility during the entire existence of the UN/DPI. There has never been a registrant/registrar relationship available to a non-governmental organization relative to the UN/DPI.
Now let's decide whether the actions were righteous or unrighteous:
Organized to Do Jehovah's Will(2005) p. 155, par. 2
Aside from the announcement, this paragraph is almost a word-for-word copy of the paragraph appearing in the Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry book:
Organized to Accomplish Our Ministry(1983) p. 151, par. 1
It is accurate to state that the organizational policy on voluntary memberships to secular organizations which are under judgment by God predates the application submitted to become an Associate member of the UN/DPI. It is accurate to state that individuals who enter into voluntary membership relationships with such organizations are considered as disassociated and as no longer being Jehovah's Witnesses. It is accurate to state that such a person would be treated/viewed identically to a disfellowshipped person. It would be accurate to state that such a stern policy applies a result of the choice an individual makes, not as a result of the announcement read.
It is accurate to state that the policy enforced on adherents did not apply to the leadership/organization itself.
Romans 2:1-2
Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are, if you judge; for in the thing in which you judge another, you condemn yourself, inasmuch as you that judge practice the same things. Now we know that the judgment of God is, in accord with truth, against those who practice such things.
It is accurate to state such duplicity in judgment is Scripturally inexcusable.
Most Jehovah's Witnesses who hear of this outrageous hypocrisy excuse it. thirdwitness is an excellent case in point, but certainly not the only one who has done so.
I leave it to the reader to determine why anyone would excuse the highest authorities in the organization of actions for which they themselves would not be excused. What kind of an organization would hold the highest authorities to lower standards of godliness than the standards to which it holds those with no authority at all.
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
So, thirdwitness, I wonder if you can you answer any yes or no question. Let's find out.
Is the UN/DPI "a secular organization with objectives contrary to the Bible and, hence, under judgment by Jehovah God?"
Waiting and wondering...
My answer would be no.
Learntoswim,
Well, if the answer is no, they should have never disassociated themselves. And they should definitely re-apply for association. After all, they have the same ideals.
learntoswim: My answer would be no.
Interesting answer. Is your answer given as a Jehovah's Witness, or an ex-JW?
According to Jehovah's Witnesses, is God going to destroy the UN/DPI at Armageddon? If so, why? Is the UN/DPI an organization that supports the UN's objectives in more than simply a nominal way? Are the UN/DPI's other members approved or disapproved by God?
Respectfully,
AuldSoul
