The Gentiles Times Reconsidered--Again but this Time By Using the Bible

by thirdwitness 1380 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

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  fjtoth

  rank your correct they did live in the last days.they lived in the last days of the Jewish system.but there would be a future judgement the time of the end.or are you saying the last days have come and gone.and there is no future judgement?now ask your self do you see what the bible says or do you only see what your own heart tells you.because you want the jws to be wrong so badly.

  Where do you read in the Bible that all these "last days" texts refer to the Jewish system? Isn't that what you read in The Watchtower? You surely did not read it in the Bible. So, who is the one whose "heart" is telling him the definition of "the last days." I'm going by the Bible, and you are going by The Watchtower. There is a big difference! Frank
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  PMJ2

  also the society do drw parallels with noah's day so did jesus.but no were in the watchtower doest say its going to happen before that year.your making that up
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  PMJ2

  also the society do drw parallels with noah's day so did jesus.but no were in the watchtower doest say its going to happen before that year.your making that up
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  AuldSoul

  NWT Luke 21:8 He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them.
  ASV Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not led astray: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am he; and, The time is at hand: go ye not after them.
  KJV Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

  I said, "he said...to ignore them." I didn't say, "he said...they were lying."

  Before translating the New World Translation, the American Standard Version was one of the preferred Bibles used by Jehovah's Witnesses. I believe it would be difficult to find a more striking instance of someone saying the time is at hand than the example of the most recent District Convention program.

  What was the theme of that convention again? Oh yeah, it was "Deliverance At Hand."

  AuldSoul
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  AnnOMaly

  Flash (from a few pages back)

  Hang on. So all Christian institutions, now including the WTS, have been rejected, but JWs themselves are approved and you allow for the possibility that the RF of other religious groups are also approved - even though their core doctrines would disqualify them. I find that a teensy bit contradictory.

  I'm thinking in terms of all of us being judged ultimately as indivduals. God, who is love, showing mercy by reading everyones heart, and approving people based on that rather than what religion their in.

  ... So I believe God will consider His people's failure and make allowances for those sincere in heart toward Him even with their inaccurate knowledge of Him.

  ... Plus there are places around the world that will barely hear about Him and His promises. I can't believe He wont make allowance for that.

  OK. I can go along with that.

  Another question. If you think JWs are chosen above all others, what are the criteria by which they have been chosen, and how is that choosing evidenced? (all right, 2 questions LOL)

  I think their take on their being the reconstituted true faith is correct. Also their core (biblical) beliefs that their faith is built on I see as evidence:

  God has a name (Jehovah) and is not a trinity.

  Jesus is God's first creation.

  The Angelic rebellion is the source of all our troubles.

  The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are literal and coming.

  God will use the worlds governments to destroy world religion.

  The Thousand Year reign is real.

  The Resurrection is the only hope for the majority of the dead.

  The Little Flock will become a literal Heavenly Government.

  Satan and his Demons have a finite time to exist and will be terminated.

  I know there are religions that teach some of these, but I have not yet heard of another religion that has all of these as the

  foundation of their faith. I believe this is clear evidence as to having at one time had divine approval.

  Many of those criteria are taught by others, and some that are distinctive to JWs are very debatable, biblically-speaking. And yet above you said that God would make allowances for people with a sincere heart, even with their inaccurate knowledge of Him. So can a group's spins on doctrine (which is subjective as far as we people are concerned anyway) really be used as concrete evidence as God's favor?

  I believe this is clear evidence as to having at one time had divine approval. Again though, I think they fell hard in their faith after 1914 failed to produce Armageddon. That's when, IMO, the Evil Slave took over.

  But again that's based on the premise that prior to 1914, God chose a group that had wackier doctrines than they have now! I can't see it.
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  AuldSoul

  pmj2: auldsoul are you saying the iron mixed with moist clay on the immense image was in the first century?

  Yes. That is what I'm saying. The elements that decayed the Roman empire were already in place by the First Century.

  AuldSoul
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  PMJ2

  auldsould dileverance is near Jehovah will save his people you can be sure of it.do you remember the scripture were Jesus told the apostles to go telling people the kingdom of the heavens has drawn near? should people of been weary of them.all the signs are here that we are living in the last days.jesus tells us to go preach the good news of the kingdom that's what Jehovah witnesses do
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  AuldSoul

  also the society do drw parallels with noah's day so did jesus.but no were in the watchtower doest say its going to happen before that year.your making that up

  Jesus drew parallel between the unexpected arrival of the flood and his unexpected arrival.

  The Watchtower Society will never again set a specific terminus for this system. They have done so many times in the past and have been wrong every time. But they have drawn attention to how long Noah "preached" while building the ark as significant (120 years). They have also stated, in the same context, that the modern day ark started to be built in 1914.

  But Noah had a much longer life span than you or I. I wonder how any time period so long as has already gone by can be regarded as sensible.

  40 years in the wilderness was a LONG TIME. 70 years for Babylon was a LONG TIME.

  How can 92 years possibly be considered the "Last Days"?

  AuldSoul
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  AuldSoul

  pmj2,

  You asked for the Scripture where Jesus said to ignore them. I gave you the Scripture. You are not satisfied with Scriptures, you are only satisfied with the published opinions of a man-made organization that is a late-comer on the world scene and is incredibly ineffective in its methods of spreading its message.

  An organization that has altered every single opinion it has ever written about save the non-existence of (1) a trinity, (2) hell fire, (3) and immortal soul, doctrines which were already held by other organizations at the time and which are still held by many organizations today.

  An organization that teaches as doctrine traditions that have no basis in Scripture whatsoever.

  AuldSoul
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  fjtoth