DICK, GORE, BUSH & COLIN

by Amazing 69 Replies latest jw friends

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana
    I want to talk about why most jw women, never have experienced a real climax, now that is an issue I can sink my teeth into.

    DannyBear....because they have JW husbands!

    April

    "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)

  • Scorpion
    Scorpion

    Amazing,

    You said you voted for Allen Keyes, I also voted for Keyes. He could mop the floor with Gore and Bush put together in a debate. This is one reason Keyes was not allowed the media coverage he deserved.

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Scorpion: Thanks for your comments about Keyes. I do think that the media coverage, or lack of it, is kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you gain popularity, you get attention, and when you gain attention, you can become popular.

    Policial candidates have tough campaigns because of schedule, time and money. It takes good strategy to focus on the right places at the right time. Good men like Keyes, who don't make the headlines, have not been able to cross that magic threshold where attention begets popularity, and popularity begets more attention.

    But, even when this threshold is crossed, it is no guarantee. Pat Buchanan, Ros Perot, and Ralph Nader all finlaay crossed that threshold, but they all lacked one important ingredient - Major Party support. For some reason we as voters can't seem to break loose from the 'two-party' system. We pay lip service to having more candidates and more parties, but when it comes down to it, we find ourselves in the voting booth choosing one of the two knowns, Democrats or Republicans.

    If Keyes could have crossed the popularity-attention threshold, then he might have gained the Republican nomination. Then he would have stood a fairly good chance.

    Many political leaders are trying to push campaign finance reform because they believe that this will somehow level the playing field for more and better candidates. But, in truth, it will not. Such reforms will merely force us deeper into the two-party system with humdrum candidates. - Amazing

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hi Danny: Yes, in this instance, someone like Barbara Lee gets bashed for her position. The reason is that we are in an extreme situation where even the far left liberals like Hillary Clinton voted for Bush's request for military action, etc. Democrats in the Senate even doubled Bush'd financial request. So, this is not an example that is useful in my opinion. And media people died in this event, so naturally, liberals and conservative fell bonded right now.

    The first TV network that moved to the right was Fox News. And I do admit that media has started to shift from the dominance of the left. But let me give a good example from more normal times.

    The TV reporter, Ms. Shriver (Can't recall her first name) was reporting on the 1996 campaign between Clinton and Dole. When she spoke of Clinton, she was all smiley and happy, and chipper to talk about Clinton. Then she commented about the Dole campaign, and immediately her face went glum, her countenance dropped, and she sounded like she had just gone to a funeral.

    Body language transmits 70% to 80% of our message. (That is one reason why people fight on Internat forums, who otherwise would never fight. The Internet talk forums are devoid of body langauge, and as a result the subconscious mind inserts it, and screws up the intent of what the author was really saying.)

    Media people by a super-majority favor Democratic politicians. This is a fallout from the 1960s and 1970s. The trend is gradually slowing, but not much since students are still being taught by teachers who also lean liberal. And, no matter how hard they try to be fair and balanced, they cannot hide their body language and tone of voice. This is very powerful to viewers. The reason I see it is that I am conservative, and notice the bias.

    Another quick example is when Rosey O'Donnel ambushed Tom Selik on the gun issue during her interview with him. He did not take it, and came back at her politely. She was rude and biased, and because ti was her show, she had the media advantage. She wants to abolish the Second Ammendment and only have guns for police and movie stars. The rest of us should not be allowed to defend ourselves, because we might forget and go rob a bank in her opinion.

    Now, when a TV personality, who leans conservative, does the same thing, I don't see it as easily because they are then preaching to the choir, and I am able to better hear their words, because their body language agrees with my own disposition. I get sucked in just as easily. And I am sure at that point a liberal will see the body language of the conservative TV person, and see it as bias in the other direction.

    Communication is a tenuous miracle at best. It is a wonder how we are able to work together as a society to get anything done. Fear is our greatest emotion by far and above all others. And politics is one of those areas where this fear is greatly exaggeratted. Liberal fear that conservative big business will take all the money and leave old people and children uncared for, and conservative fear that big liberals will destroy all opportunity and freedom by socialiizing the economy. Liberals trust government, and Conservative fear government. Liberals fear business, and conservatives trust business.

    However right or wrong either side is, the truth is likely somewhere in the middle, and the evidence of our national prosperity is that neither Liberal or Conservative really acts to our harm. Both end up being balanced, and both seem to be kept in check by competing pressures. And maybe that was the real wisdom of the founding fathers, to create a system where no single competing interest can totally gain control. And they are forced to compromise to get anything done. Maybe that is the beauty of the system. - Amazing

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    ttt

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    I have never been so upset about any tragedy as this recent one. While I am proud that all americans are supporting this nation, one particular aspect has been steadily irritating my senses.

    That is the new "unwritten" public policy of "let's not criticize" the president or the government at this time. In my personal opinion, given the circumstances and questionable behavior of government officials, there is NO TIME LIKE THE PRESENT for voicing concerns.

    Now, I enjoy "AMAZING"'s posts and she is very informative. However, this BUSH is NOT dumb or NOT incompetent is way off the deep end of common sense and logic.

    Even as a JW, I can remember 6 or 7 year old children handling parts in the school, and they were at least able to complete more than 3-4 words in succession, without whiskers, fumbling, bumbling, and hesitation.

    His father and his friends (CIA connections) and their family finances, and the oil industry as well as JEB BUSH in Florida literally "corrupted" the election. Everyone knows it. The europeans have been joking about it until this recent tragedy occurred.

    The daily normal personality operating in his character (from what is displayed in the media) is obviously NOT intellectual by any means.
    If he cheated in the election, he probably cheated at YALE. "Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's a duck".

    So I wish everyone would get over this "support the president" kick already, it's enough to make me hurl. I support America which is bigger than the individual sitting in that oval office.

    Also, another point to be considered, given what is happening globally, there could NOT be a more urgent time period to have a leader like "TEDDY ROOSEVELT" right now, or I would even settle for a "RONALD REAGAN". At least they were able to speak publicly without irritating the audience and frustrating any listener with one brain cell.

    Here we are, having to be represented globally by this spoiled, spoon-fed, cheating, well connected, typical elitist, poseur. He is the president, I will remain loyal, supportive and respectful because it is the right thing to do, not because I actually believe in his ability.

    As a dub, I had to respect elders who were mental midgets at best, now I rely on the same inclination in this situation. But, please AMAZING, give us all a break from the bully-pulpit and be real!

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Mornin Amazing,

    I think you missed my point as to Barbara Lee. The bias in the media was the fact that there was very if any bashing of Lee, yet the same media who were relentless on reporting Falwell faupaux, just ingnored Lee's outragious conduct.

    Her petty demonstration, was an affront to every American. There have been few times in history, where the legislative and adminstrative arms of our government, have been 100 percent united. She stole that away. She could have put her stamp of approval, with a decenting addendum, like judges in court decisions, but no she chose to garner attention to herself. Her vote has thus dampened the united thrust or our war on terrorism. She should be held accountable for her selfish and insensitive display of 'look at me'. The media turned a blind eye.

    To me more than enough evidence as to where the media bias lies.

    Will comment on the rest of your post after work.

    Danny

  • Utopian Reformist
    Utopian Reformist

    Sorry DannyBear! I think you are missing the purpose of her dissention. Do you really believe she just wanted to be a stick in the mud? Or just be different?

    Remember, she is a black female. A black female. Do you get it yet? A black female. Given BUSH's background, how he got into office, his father's CIA connections, their oil magnate friends, and the past history of people like Senator McCarthy, she did a very brave and noble thing.

    Do you want jackasses probing through your life? I don't. Imagine people (like JW elders) working on the premise of a cause like national security, memorizing every detail of your life and recording it.

    Please, once this terorrist thing is over, how do you know the powers return to their source? Will the administration simply let go and rescind? Hmmmm...

    After what Herbert Hoover did with his authority and McCarthy, how in the world could any conscientious black american vote any differently?

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Tatiana,

    You have a point. I used to be one. Used to be the key words, thank you.

    It is a wonder, how any jw couple can enjoy the boundless joys of sex, while trying to sort out all the do's and don't's the society has planted in their abused minds.

    Nice come back

    Danny

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Hey UR: I think you are overreacting, or at least it appears that way. And the conspiracy you refer to regarding Bush and the election is little more than sour grapes. It was a close election, and the Supremes were the Umpires who called the play. If Big Al wuold have won the call, I have no doubt that many conservatives would be singing similar tunes of libera;-left conspiracy.

    Now, once again, if you read the title of the post, you will see the sublime aspect of humor that was the foundation, and not to debate politics.

    As for Bush, my point is, no one have provided any evidence of his lack or intelligence or capability. Why not be honest and just say that you are Liberal, and don't like a Conservative President, and so the only real attack you can make is to take a swipe at Bush's halted speaking style?

    When Clinton was the President, Conservatives had all kind of fun with him. He actually didn't do too bad a job, considering that Presidents don't write legislation. But, Clinton did do some very stupid things that nearly cost him the office. Now that he is out of office, I like him a lot better, and enjoyed his recent interview on TV regarding the Terrorist situation.

    My whole point is that if we can be honest with ourselves, we can see the humor in politics, and take out own positions less seriously.
    Amazing

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