I have a sincere question....

by AGuest 57 Replies latest jw friends

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Shel,

    What am I CleoBear!

    Kind of a whopper of a riddel question my dear. Almost like asking are three sides to a triangle?

    My answer: Depends on what level and angle your looking.

    Yeah I get it, sure there are always another side to any issue. So as in any other form of dissent, the majority usually wins. That is what is called democracy. So I say give three cheers to disent. But after you have had your say, quit gripe'n and moaning, jump on the bandwagon or stay home and enjoy the fact that you had the freedom to do so.

    Danny

  • JustAThought
    JustAThought
    But in truth, I don't quite understand how a man, who nine (9) months into his post, has now on his 'watch', 'reaped' what has certainly THE most tragic event in the history of this country.

    Do you really think that it is fair, or accurate, to describe this happening as something which GWB has 'reaped'? Certainly it has occurred on his watch, but 'reaped'. Experts on terrorism have agreed that an attack like that of last week would be years in the planning (the current speculation is that it was in the works for about 7 years).

    And might the applause, honor and respect for those in public office, including GWB, be due to the enormity of the responsibility he/she has been willing to take on?

    JustAThought

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Danny... (waving white flag)... may you have peace... perhaps you think me smug. But let me let you in a on a little bit of 'truth' about me: I was quite serious with my question. I am TRYING to understand what I do not. I am not trying to irritate you or anyone else. And I have admitted my naivete and puerility in this matter. And I don't see that 'freedom to sit home and enjoy it'... at least, not in the way I think you expressed it. Not when there is possibility of conscription, not when we all can and most probably will be affected by all of this in SOME way. Not when there are people on the 'other' side who do NOT have such freedom.

    What I was asking was, seriously, is there only two sides... and I guess I also wanted to know if... and why... a third (or fourth or fifth) side would be.... ummmm, lacking. I did not mean to touch a 'nerve' for YOU in this matter, though, and so I will leave off from it. It is apparently quite dear to YOUR heart, and I have no desire to harm that in any way.

    JustAThought... peace to you, as well... you are correct: 'reaped' is an inappropriate word. Perhaps very. I think. I say I think, though, because I believe that all of this started well before Clinton's administration, with the REAGAN (Republican) administration and further exacerbated in the last BUSH administration. And I may be wrong. I think I used 'reaped' because I was thinking more along the lines of 'the sins of the father'. I apologize.

    Your explanation of the applause, etc., is quite acceptable. It is what I asked and I wanted to understand, truly. You see, guys, I have not been following this matter just since Tuesday, September 11th. As a child of Abraham, and a brother, then, of Ishmael, I have tried to keep up with things between Islam and Christendom, Israel and Arabs, Jews and Palestinians, for quite some time. And what I 'see' is a bit different, I think, from what many of you do. I have friends from Syria, Lebanon, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Korsovo, Serajevo; friends that are Arab, Muslim, 'christian', Jewish, etc. And so, I may perhaps have a different 'picture' of the issues based on this.

    And that is okay. I simply wish to understand that which I do not: certain ways of thinking by earthling man, including you all. I hear what my Lord says... and I also asked you. I do not YET see Bush as a 'hero'... but that may be left to be seen. I do not know. I just thought that perhaps they should have heard what he had to say... BEFORE all the kudos. I mean, what if he said something that the majority DOESN'T agree with? To me, that is sort of like nodding at WTBTS propaganda... just for the SAKE of nodding and agreeing.

    You see, what a LOT of Americans DON'T know is that there is a media 'blitz' placed by our government over matters of foreign affairs and such, and particularly war, and related incidents. Trust me, I KNOW this. It is law, and it occurred after Vietnam... in an effort to stave off any unpopular response by the citizens so that the dissent of Vietnam would NEVER occur again. It is their 'effort' to keep the country 'united'. And so what we ARE permitted to know and hear... is not always truth!

    But it seems to me that just like JWs appear to wish to be lied to... and LOVE it... there are many US citizens who wish the same thing... and LOVE it.

    And I guess I just don't understand that.

    Oh, and just so you all know, while I am not a 'voting' woman (Lord, in truth, who cares what I think?), if I HAD to choose, and choose only between Democrat and Republican... I would have to go with... Republican. Sorry, but that is the truth. While Democrats appear to be 'nice'... I don't necessarily trust 'nice'. I prefer to have a person's 'hands'... where I can 'see' them. And I have an uneasy feeling about all of the social service 'stuff'... and its TRUE purpose. Just my opinion and position.

    Enough... and peace!

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Hey Shel,

    Have to work now. But will get back to later. Thanks for your reply.

    Will be traveling for the next few days.

    Danny

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman

    Why are you asking US all those stoopid questions, Shelby?

    Why didn't you ask your Schpirit Guide for "direction"?

    Didn't your all-knowing Schpirit Guide watch Bush's Address last night?

    And most of all, why didn't you wait until you "heard" from your Schpirit before you popped off here?

    Usually, you say you have to "wait for the message/direction" before you can "deliver" what you "have been given" to say.

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    Dang!
    I just realized I wasted one of my 25 posts limit for the day!

    .

  • Winston
    Winston

    Shelby,

    About that PEACE thing-a-ma-giggy that you always use, I think you use it so much it's begining to be meaningless.

    May you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace, may you have peace.

    Matt. 5:37
    37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.

    If we always say:"may you have peace", and then we sass somebody it sounds very phrasaical.

    It's not sincere it's just window dressing for our words.

    So if you say something like that over and over you don't really mean it, it's just a formallity.

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Tom T., peace to you.

    You asked:

    Why are you asking US all those stoopid questions, Shelby?
    Why didn't you ask your Schpirit Guide for "direction"? Didn't your all-knowing Schpirit Guide watch Bush's Address last night? And most of all, why didn't you wait until you "heard" from your Schpirit before you popped off here? Usually, you say you have to "wait for the message/direction" before you can "deliver" what you "have been given" to say.

    All I can say is perhaps you overlooked my statement, to wit:

    I simply wish to understand that which I do not: certain ways of thinking by earthling man, including you all. I hear what my Lord says... and I also asked you.

    Not to worry, Tom. Your apology is already accepted.

    Winston... peace to you, as well, and may I direct you to:

    Luke 10:5

    I received such direction from my Lord, to wish peace upon any house that I entered, and by means of the internet, I am 'entering' many a house. I am quite sorry that my wish for peace for you... and others... is as a 'clashing cymbal' to your ears. Truly. But I still wish you well... and wish you peace. Honestly. (Though I am at a loss as to why 'hello' and 'how are you', both of which ARE meaningless, the latter being purely rhetorical these days... is not an issue...)

    Ah, well... "earthling" man... who says he WANTS peace... but evidently doesn't want anyone to WISH him such. Go figure.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

  • Tallyman
    Tallyman
    All I can say is perhaps you overlooked my statement, to wit:

    I simply wish to understand that which I do not: certain ways of thinking by earthling man, including you all. I hear what my Lord says... and I also asked you.

    Didn't your Shpirit's "direction" suffice?
    Doesn't your Schpirit Guide KNOW what earthling man already thinks?
    Did your Schpirit ask you to take a straw poll?

    Not to worry, Tom. Your apology is already accepted.

    There's your Schpirit Guide misleading your again.

    Winston... peace to you, as well, and may I direct you to:

    And see, Winston, she still does it despite what you said:

    It's not sincere it's just window dressing for our words.

    So if you say something like that over and over you don't really mean it, it's just a formallity.

    What was that Jesus said about those who gave repetitious prayers and greetings?
    Least ShellGame could do was mix it up a little to make it more interesting...

    Like she "speaks" or "understands" a little Hebe...
    so, she could say:

    "PA-eace Be Unto You
    a Bam-A-Lamb-A-Boo-Bam
    peeeeeee-eeeece!
    A-She-Sha-Sho-Baa
    Shimmy-Shimmy-Re-Ra
    Shaaaaa-lom!
    Shey-Shay-Sho-Sha
    She-Be-Le-Ba-Boo-Bop
    Sha-Lom
    Sha-Loooooooooome!

    You know, kinda do a funky little number.
    Put a little spunk into it...
    instead of the boring schweety/syrupy
    over and over and over and over and over
    "Peace be unto you!"

    It's just like the jWs ending EVERYTHING they write with:

    AGAPE!
    AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!
    AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!
    AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!AGAPE!
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    Dang! I wasted ANOTHER of my 25 post limit!

    .

  • Winston
    Winston

    Shelby,
    luke 10:1-7
    Look at the context:

    10 After these things the Lord designated seventy others and sent them forth by twos in advance of him into every city and place to which he himself was going to come... 4 Do not carry a purse, nor a food pouch, nor sandals, and do not embrace anybody in greeting along the road. 5 Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, 'May this house have peace.' 6 And if a friend of peace is there, YOUR peace will rest upon him. But if there is not, it will turn back to YOU. 7 So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not be transferring from house to house.

    This was a special occasion not like here on the internet.
    If we aply it like you do, it would mean that the disciple would be saying "may you have peace" every time spoke after being quiet for a while.
    NO WAY SISTER!

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Tom... okay... you 'win'.

    Winston... it was told to me in the same 'context' when I was 'sent'... as it was to those. I 'heard' the admonition from my Lord LONG before I read it. As was/is the case with many other 'directives'.

    Also, in contrast to your statement that:

    If we aply it like you do, it would mean that the disciple would be saying "may you have peace" every time spoke after being quiet for a while.

    ... the directive had nothing to do with speaking after being quiet for awhile, but rather, as it states:

    Wherever YOU enter into a house say first, 'May this house have peace.'

    And since in this day and time the internet allows me access into YOUR house every time you open a post from me (which, in truth, is to ME... QUITE 'special', as there really is not other way similar to enter another's home; even TV and telephone don't quite do this...), I simply wish to offer to you and your household peace... in sincerity.

    But since both of you have a problem with my sincere offering of peace... so be it. I understand (actually, I don't, for there is no harm or malice intended... but... okay... whatever...) May such peace, then, return to me (my Lord knows that in dealing with some, I most certainly need it). As YOU wish, I will not offer it to you again.

    Please hear, understand and KNOW, however, that I will not STOP offering it others, unless it is their wish, too, not to 'receive' it. And that is decided on a case-by-case basis.

    A slave of Christ,

    SJ

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