To be a Nice Apostate or a Mean Apostate.....

by AK - Jeff 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    The main reason I do what I do is that I am literally surrounded by JWs where I live. I have two as nieghbors on each side of my home and one across the street. I am also within walking distance to the local kh so they see me a lot. Anyway, right after we left the jdubs, the elders and their wives who live on my street, would slow down when driving down my street and stare at my kids giving them dirty looks. One day I even went up to the door of thier home and knocked. They refused to answer of course but I yelled loud enough about them mistreating my kids because we left the hall so that all the nieghbors could hear. I am usually very nice but don't do anything to upset my kids......If you do, my claws are coming out!

    The elderette's wife also yelled out here car window to my kids that they were worldly now because she saw them playing cops and robbers. BTW my son was the cop - the good guy! She said something like "how nice to see how worldly you have become". This was the like the 3rd incident I had with this one.

    My kids also go to school with many jdub kids and were being harrased until I went up to the school and complained. It stopped imediately. They were telling my kids they were going to die a violent death, be eaten by birds, etc. My kids do not believe this but were getting embarrassed. Other kids asked what was going on and the jdubs told them my kids don't believe in God anymore. An outright lie and the kids in their school are mostly Catholic so you can imagine how they would feel about kids who don't believe in God. Anyway, the JW's around here are very nasty and cruel and if they can give it - I can give it back. Lilly

  • daystar
    daystar

    *shrug* I treat them like I'd treat anyone else I meet on the street... smile politely, shake hands if appropriate, small talk, etc.

    I'm rather sure I'm all but forgotten by most of them.

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot

    It's almost funny in my case....I was always a quietly loyal and obedient (tm) JW for all my 30 years....and then I wrote my DA letter which came as a sudden surprise to everyone. THEN the stories started and I became a female Jack the Ripper and Jezebel all rolled into one, apparently!

    I did nothing newsworthy or unscriptural and have NO reason to be treated as if I am something that JWs stepped in and left on their shoe.....other than to have discovered what I did online, pertaining to the WTS!

    Due to the WTS mandatory policies, I am now seen as a direct threat to them and to their "spirituality" (their devotion to the ORG and not to their God) and MUST be hurriedly and hastily avoided at ALL costs! For those of you that have met me....you can SEE that I don't pose much of a threat to anyone but the WTS has convinced them to the contrary.

    I have seen some pretty unusual maneuvers BY JWs when they happen to see me in the stores, and their antics have actually been pretty funny from my standpoint! There was one instance where a sister's cart and my cart almost collided coming around the clothing racks at Walmart, and when she looked up and saw who I was....she tried to break the speed record trying to back up in such a hurry. There was another person right behind her (I was in front of her) and she could not move, haha! It was the old "deer in the headlights" look that day!

    We THEN did almost the same thing at the grocery store an hour later.....and when I saw her looking right at me and trying to figure out how she could exit the quickest....I burst right out laughing at the sheer lunacy of it all. SHE had put HER head down and I could see that she was trying to hide a smile too. How stupid this "game" IS! I often wonder just WHAT stories got around to get them to act this way!

    I had resolved to put forth an effort now, into not accepting my "punishment" by lowering MY eyes and then watching as the dutiful JW robots turn in horror as they spot me near them in a public place. I have decided to approach them with a big cheery smile and ask how they ARE---it's been AGES since we've talked, etc. When they will undoubtedly sneer and turn tail and RUN, depending on the circumstances and how much of an "audience" I have....I would then say something appropriate about the fact that I "used to be a JW and left the religion, and THIS is how everyone is treated when they stop being a JW".

    I have yet to SEE a JW out in public since I decided to do this.

    Annie

  • daystar
    daystar
    I have decided to approach them with a big cheery smile and ask how they ARE---it's been AGES since we've talked, etc.

    I think that is a fantastic way to approach it! Make sure your smile genuinely touches the eyes.

  • sf
    sf

    I'd substitute "mean" with the word "effective".

    If I come face to face with a witness who turns the other way or rudely brushes past [as if I am dead], I will point out to all in the area [carefull not to appear the raving lunatic] that this is the way Jehovah's witnesses act toward one who has quietly left their faith.

    Have you actually had this type of encounter, yet, Jeff?

    I did this week. A face to face confrontation with a man answering yes when I asked if he was an elder in the local congregation { he may have been a traveling overseer, so I wanted to be sure WHAT I was about to be dealing with }.

    The entire area within a one block radius may have heard me questioning and informing them of current events within their "religious organization" that kills its members by not providing solid facts, yet uses misrepresentations of secular ones. Oh yea, I was right behind them as they STOPPED going to doors and made a b-line for their NEW CARS. All the while, speaking loudly, not shouting, about why it is that they are out in our hood telling us, with FALSE RELIGION TRACTS (that's what started it...two sisters came to my door with THE TRACT and I grilled them about their true intentions at my door...and showed them the JESUS CANO flier I have by the front door...she says "I've already seen THAT FLIER"...I asked "where"? She said "some woman came to my door"...LOL!!!! I told her that I thought I recognized her and that that woman was ME. She turned white...lolololhahaha....and said she was done arguing. I laughed and asked who was arguing...we were having a discussion on epidemic child abuse that is just as covered up as the CC...they stopped talking and kept walking down the steps...I told her I was going to go to every door they go to, with these fliers and tell them facts that the jws won't and to question them next time they come by...AND SO I DID.}

    After I caught up with the sisters, around the corner, I saw a man {knew it was a higher ranking male member...the arrogance oozed out of his ears} up the r oad with another group of sisters, no other men were present}. I walked at a calm pace, fliers in hand, towards all of them. They finally saw me and the man whips out his NICEEEEEE CELLPHONE { I later 'complimented' him persecutingly...lol} and starts dialing. I wonder if he is actually going to perhaps call the police...not sure who he called...wish it was the police...my freedom of speech to my neighbors is as important as they cry about...so I was ready for that.

    All the sisters make it to the car. He gets hold up at the corner due to traffic. I get right up to him and ask why he won't listen to what I have to say and what I do say, he dismisses. He asks what religion made me this upset!!!! LOLOLOL!!! I said that is not going to work...tell me why you won't be honest with the householders, telling them that the core motivation that drives you to preach FALSE RELIGION YOURSELVES GOOD NEWS OF THE KINGDOM, is so that you will reap everlasting life and not die at armageddon, by the hands of your Watchtower GOD...JEHOVAH? Tell them about the shunning policy, the no blood policy, the estrangement that will take place when you become a jw and other family membs do not...tell them NOW...not after weeks of bible study, meetings and TMS, where things are drilled in your mind and start to eat at your soul...He asks what my name is...lol...I said that is not important. He says well I won't talk to you anymore if you don't give me your name....lololol I said you don't ask people at the door their names, yet you can't seem to shut up then...I told him that I would not doubt that he and his field misery klan will go back to their meetings, use this experience and call it persecution by Satan at its finest and the audience will all clap gleefully...lolololol....he makes it across the street...i tell him I'll see him at the k.h....he says, fine, it's open to public. I said, that will be interesting to WITNESS!

    Backtracking a bit, I also pointed out loudly, as we stood at the corner, that the more dangerous aspect of jws child abuse and CC is that JWS ARE ON OUR PROPERTY AT AT OUR DOORS and may be someone who is from another congregation and no one knows his past offenses or that he was re-instated after a bullcrap repention {if that isn't a word, it is NOW!}...That the public needs to stay aware of strangers like these, knocking on your door, telling you are of a false religion, bashing the world we live in and that they have advantages to yet still hate the world so much that that is what their literature is filled with, as well as their underlying message...it isn't about anything else...I said this and more as I escorted them out of my hood and told them when they come back, I'll still be here.

    _______________________________

    The goal was to get them to leave the neighborhood. Success is sweet.

    This terroristic litter-ature should not be peddled, anywhere. Escorting them out of the hood, loudly proclaiming facts, backed up with documents, gets them to leave quickly. Proclaiming their right to do so is countered with the same for me. I am allowed the right to follow them to every door and counter their pitch, with facts and resources to research. THEY HATE IT!!! LOLOLOLOL I LOVE IT!!!! Just try to shut me up now! ~sigh~

    Alright, that's enough for now. This should inspire someone. LOLOLOL!!!! {I can just hear the sugarcoaters now...blah, blah, blahhhhhhhhhhhhh.....}

    sKally

  • lowden
    lowden

    I have no respect WHATSOEVER for anyone that treats me like shit when i don't deserve to be. Bastards!

    Is it not within their bodies to even give me a half -smile??

    With me, contempt will only breed contempt.

    Soulless Cretins.

    Peace (to all who deserve)

    Lowden

  • gordon d
    gordon d

    Hi Sunspot... sorry to chuckle at your misery but I can just picture the whole scene.... What the heck... next time you see someone, just walk over and give them a BIG hug... keep holding them while you say "How are you? I've been praying about you so much lately and I'm so glad I got to see you!" What have you go to loose? At the very least, you'll get a new story to tell. I will take my own advice and do the same... of course, I'll keep everyone here posted if/when it actually happens.

  • Sunspot
    Sunspot
    the elders and their wives who live on my street, would slow down when driving down my street and stare at my kids giving them dirty looks.

    Lil,

    It is despicable that JWs feel that the kids are fair game......and it upsets me that they are so self-righteous and thoughtless. Like we are going to drop EVERYTHING and race back to the KH in "repentance" when they DO these things!!!) Some crap happened to my grandson (who lives with us) who was 11 when I left....and had to put up with their stupidity. I wish I had been out longer and had developed a thicker skin so I could have handled these idiots better. It would NEVER have entered my mind to say things to a child had I been the JW and his parents had left the Org. It would have served NO purpose.

    I honestly wished I had the nerve to call the elder that cornered him coming out of the restroom at our little drive-in theater one night.....and said that he should be at "the meetings" even if "I" wasn't there. That JEHOVAH WANTED HIM to be there.....blah-blah-blah.....(our g'son is autistic and very impressionable.....and this hit him very hard. I was so mad at the elder....and for my hubby saying he was old enough to not need anyone to bring him to the bathroom, a "dignity thing"....but I wish I could have avoided that confrontation)

    But, the whole idea of hitting the KIDS with the JW mentality just makes my blood boil.

    I think that is a fantastic way to approach it! Make sure your smile genuinely touches the eyes.

    Daystar,

    Thanks....I think it can't be beat! (And with absolutely NO trace of sarcasm, etc)

    HOW would they feel if they were a "worldly person" and saw the entire scenario.....and how embarrassing it would be for the indivdual JW AND for the Organization they represent (and are trying to convince OTHERS to come into!!!!!)How many folks would grab at the chance for a "free-home-bible-study" after "witnessing" something like THAT? Hahaha!

    hugs,

    Annie

  • moshe
    moshe

    They finally saw me and the man whips out his NICEEEEEE CELLPHONE { I later 'complimented' him persecutingly...lol} and starts dialing. I wonder if he is actually going to perhaps call the police...not sure who he called...wish it was the police...my freedom of speech to my neighbors is as important as they cry about...so I was ready for that.

    df- and others - as long as you have your Bible with you the cops can't do a thing- you are preaching,too. What are the cops gonna do takes sides in a religious argument? Is this what JW's do now whenever they see a so-called opposer- call for the police to help them out? hah-hah-hah! or maybe the are calling the WT helpline- 1-800-cry-baby!

  • sf
    sf

    moshe,

    I appreciate the tip. Yet, I don't need no stinkin' bible when I've got facts on fliers, with photo's, research resources, court rulings, BOE letters, news articles, ad infinitum.

    I'm waiting to see what a cop says about THAT.

    Thanks for the word of support.

    sKally

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