by skyking 55 Replies latest jw friends
Wow, thats truly amazing.
It must be a relief for her to talk to you about it. It must have been terrible carrying that around on her own.
Was she mad when you turned her into the elders? Did they tie her up and throw he in the river to see if she floated? I believe that is the standard religious response to anything they dont understand.
Thanks for putting that story here. I can imagine how freaky it must have been, as a jw to 'know' that your wife had a demon. Then, of course, your poor wife living in dread cuz she thought so too. I would love to hear more of those stories, but here probably isn't the place for them.
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Was she mad when you turned her into the elders? Did they tie her up and throw he in the river to see if she floated? I believe that is the standard religious response to anything they dont understand.
Yes she was. But to our surprise they did not freak out, I think they could not believe it was true. We kept most of the past from them, that is, most of the unbelievable things she told me she had dreams about and they came true. She was very vague with the Elders. Even with all of that said they thought she had a demon and told her to study more and go out more in the Field ministry more. It was not long after all of this I started falling out of the Borg.
I have had read many that claim there is no prove scientifically but that is not the case skeptics need to only read this link http://www.csicop.org/si/9603/claims.html
Here is part of the link:
Most of these purveyors of psychic myths should not be taken seriously. However, when one of the persons making extreme claims is Jessica Utts, who is a professor of statistics at the University of California at Davis, this is another matter. Utts has impressive credentials and she marshals the evidence for her case in an effective way. So it is important to look at the basis for what I believe are extreme claims, even for a parapsychologist. Here is what Utts writes in her report on the Stargate program: Using the standards applied to any other area of science, it is concluded that psychic functioning has been well established. The statistical results of the studies examined are far beyond what is expected by chance
Look after her, she sounds like a real gem...
I don't believe in supernatural but have done quite a lot of study in ancient civilizations and their oracles, gurus, fortune-tellers etc.
From time immemorial people have learned to tune up to nature around them, some of those were just naturally gifted to subconsciously recognize those 'vibrations'.
Nature is truly full of order, which is not surprising that when people see that they instinctively seek for intelligence behind it.
One fundamental property that you might have heard of is so called Fibonacci sequencing that can be observed everywhere in nature; in fact, economists are starting to realize that even market fluctuations often follow the pattern of Fibonacci sequencing, hence by extension predictability of human actions over time. It is not a bullet proof but apparently it works sufficiently enough to be useful, which is rather intriguing.
What you've got with many religions, particularly fundamentalist Christian religions is that they fear anything and everything they don't understand. And since most of the time they are not even trying to engage their brainpower to understand you've got a fanatical atmosphere that seeks to destroy anything different. Well just think about what happened in Salem (Massachusetts) 1692 with Puritan Witch-hunt, where a number of women and little girls were killed as result of religious hysteria that swept the community.
The only difference with dubs it that they don't have legal power to take life. Considering something I've read in watchtower from 50 or 60 I think, they almost regret they can't kill anyone marked as an apostate for instance. But their mind setup does let you know they would rather see you dead. So I'm not surprised that the spirit of groupthink attitude of that community has swept you beck then.
One interesting example of their stupidity was WTBS attitude toward hypnosis. They still regard it as something evil and from devil, whereas every normal person knows it is fully explainable as the state between sleep and consciousness. And so it goes with number of different things. When I was going to get baptised as a dub I had to basically burn all my books that dealt with anything they deemed as having a possible 'demonic' connection.
After leaving dubs I went into another extreme and try to explain everything through accepted scientific methods. Which attempts to explain everything rationally and as such discounts anything that cannot be tested adequately in a controlled laboratory environment.
Of course nature is far from laboratory, we can sense that even in a simple fact that to make sense of something in nature we have to make simplified model and then deal with that model separate from outside influences as much as possible. There is a good reason for that, if we didn't do it that way it would be almost impossible to understand many things around us.
But of course that leaves the question of what things are in real nature that transcends our simplistic models.
I'm starting to believe that we have to tune up to nature more and more and eventually leave our simple models and understanding behind. Which brings us full circle back and to the way some of those old civilizations dealt with nature and the world around them. I'm not saying we have to accept everything they believed but to try seeing through their eyes what it was that nature was telling them.
Which is not always easy, particularly not when you're scientifically trained to reject things like that as mere charade.
I'm guilty of that myself. Not long ago, someone who was very dear to my heart revealed to me that she was practicing tarot. In one mindless instant I just dismissed it without thinking, for which I hope she forgive me one day, if ever.
Next day I went to library and on the Internet, searched through academic international database, and to my astonishment I found that, while mainstream science still rejects it, a new understanding is creeping in. Starting with psychologist Carl Jung a new understanding came that tarot cards represent archetypes, or in other words fundamental types of persons or circumstances, which are embedded in the subconscious of us as human beings.
For instance King of Swords represents someone jumping into situations without thinking. Emparor represents patriarchal leadership, e.g. domineering father figure.
I mean when you think of these, and many others they can be applied to many people and occacions. And if there is anything in game of chance that can be remotely connected to things like Fibonacci (I don't know yet, I'll have to investigate) then I'm not surprised that tarot can give at times a meaningful answer.
I mean if it does, it still has to be taken with a grain of solt, just like Fibonacci in economy if money is not to be lost lol.
So what was the purpose of this explanation? To help us all realize that there are things in nature which are far from our understanding and are completely natural and not super-natural. So love your wife, she deserves it. She is a real gift from nature.
I just hope I'll be as lucky as you if I learn how to control my mouth.
zagor Your reply is almost the same why I make sense of it all. At first I could not stand the fact she could do this. She has proved this over and over again.
I think her mind can tap into time. Our brain does not understand time. Maybe she can see into time by some unknown mental ability, I do not believe it is the spirits doing this. I listin to her when she tells me something is going to happen.
Sounds very interesting!
As an active JW I would have dreams and then be urgent about calling who I saw in my dream. Usually when I called I was glad I did...it was weird.
I still have deja-vues....unexplained. (nothing like your wife)
Keep us posted as to how your wife is doing. BTW...maybe she should be on tv as the REAL Medium....
This kind of experience is commonplace in the Highlands and Islands of Scotland, and is acknowledged and accepted in Christian circles. The WTS demonises everything it doesn't understand, but then so do the hyper-sceptical...
Suppport and love her for who she is. What she's able to do is not demonic at all, she just has an ability that you aren't able to comprehend and being a witness has made it harder for you to accept.
So!!!!
You love her butt!!!!
The rest of her is not to bad either is it?????
She probably knows that you are talking about her behind her behind, err back. You had better be watching your backside now.
jimbo
