My wife I love her but?

by skyking 55 Replies latest jw friends

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    If you actually read ALL of the cited article at http://www.csicop.org/si/9603/claims.html, at the bottom in the Conclusion it reads;

    When we examine the basis of Utts's strong claim for the existence of psi, we find that it relies on a handful of experiments that have been shown to have serious weaknesses after undergoing careful scrutiny, and another handful of experiments that have yet to undergo scrutiny or be successfully replicated. What seems clear is that the scientific community is not going to abandon its fundamental ideas about causality, time, and other principles on the basis of a handful of experiments whose findings have yet to be shown to be replicable and lawful.

    Utts does assert that the findings from parapsychological experiments can be replicated with well-controlled experiments given adequate resources. But this is a hope or promise. Before we abandon relativity and quantum mechanics in their current formulations, we will require more than a promissory note. We will want, as is the case in other areas of science, solid evidence that these findings can, indeed, be produced under specified conditions.

    (emphasis mine)

    So much for the claim of proof.

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  • jimbo
    jimbo

    Abaddon!!!

    Good try!!! What you called the Conclusion of said article was really no conclusion at all. You could call it inconclusive information though.

    The jury is still out. The possibilities are still there.

    jimbo (of the "I don't know" class)

  • Stealth453
    Stealth453

    My wife and second daughter have the same gift. They feel gifted, and I am proud to be part of their world.

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "The jury is still out. The possibilities are still there. "

    Big deal Jimbo. The possibility that little green men control the universe is still there. The possibility that purple unicorns and green elephants exist is still there.

    Anything is a possibility. A possibility without PROOF or unbiased verification.....is meaningless. I could tell you I predicted 9-11, I could tell you my wife has dreams

    about the winning lottery numbers, I could tell you the world will end in 2034. In short, I could TELL you anything. If you believe me without proof, you are either a knave or a fool, and no better than the JW

    believing the nonsense written in the Watchtower. Instead of accepting "stories" without verification or proof, try using some critical reasoning skills and lose the JW mindset. Pretty sad that Abaddon was the

    only person on this thread that appeared capable of doing so.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    ...as the hyper-sceptical enter stage right.

    Kid-A:Have you ever tried Marmite?

  • geevee
    geevee

    Hi, I am fascinated about this gift...it is a gift. It does sound like an episode of the show "Medium" Alison DuBois. Have read her two books and it is something that happens. I have met a couple of people who have the gift. Can your wife hone in on what may happen to others if they ask her? I dont put much creed in the wt explaination. Does/did anyone else in her family have the ability, it tends to be handed down and stays with families?

  • Abaddon
    Abaddon

    jimbo

    Abaddon!!!

    Good try!!! What you called the Conclusion of said article was really no conclusion at all. You could call it inconclusive information though.

    Actually, you'll find the WRITERS of the article came up with the utterly innovative and brilliant idea of calling the summary at the end of an article 'Conclusions'. I just call it what they call it. My point was that skyking had used a reference in a misleading way. I am sure it was totally accidental and not an attempt to deliberately deceieve - i.e. carelessness instead of fraud, but quoting the person who was studied own estimation of their work as an illustration of a skeptical viewpoint when the skeptical viewpoint is the one I quoted fom the Conclusions of the article could give people the wrong idea.

    The jury is still out. The possibilities are still there.

    The idea that everything is theoretically possible is effectively meaningless, I'm far more interested in the 'probables'. Ross

    ...as the hyper-sceptical enter stage right.

    The 'hyper-skeptical' would enter from stage LEFT. Don't buy the counter-revolutionary claptrap of the pseudoscience brigade. Skepticism is revolutionary. Untrammeled belief is conservative; it is believing in the same class of thing for the same lack of reasons that the traditonal structures overturned by skeptical enquiry believed in.

  • catbert
    catbert

    I think "The Global Conciousness" project may be relevant to this conversation: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Sky,

    This is a chance for you and your wife to write a book, go on the Oprah Show, and live happily ever after ... with big bags of money. Seriously, I can understand what you must be going through. My wife's mother was so gifted. She scared us while we were JWs, and she still made us nervous long after we left the JWs ... she even predicted the day of her own death, and she was, as always, dead on. There is a great book called, "The Heart's Code" which gives strong scientiific basis for this gift ... it documents solid experiences, as well as the results of double-blind studies, and gives references to studies that conducted over 100,000 positive test results. I think it will help you and your wife to better understand and fully accept her gift.

    Jim Whitney

    PS: The Heart's Code took a different approach than the above mentioned experiments. It started with documented cases of memories people had gained after they received heart transplants. In one case is young girl received the heart of a murder victim. She had such strong memories gained, that she could give details to her psychologist, and then to authorities such that they were able to apprehend and convict the killer.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    Gyles:
    My comment wasn't levelled at you, it was directed at the knee-jerk fascists that react to anything they equate to requiring an element of belief. I'm quite content with the concept and practice of healthy scepticim. What I object to is hyper-scepticism, where something is discounted without even considering it.

    It's actually belief on another scale. Belief that nothing can exist outwith their own personal experience and that of the few folks they consider wortth reading. Since their experience is incredibly limited (and self-limiting for the foregoing reaasons) I think it's worth prodding them once in a while

    For example, what's so objectionable about the following statement?

    "The jury is still out. The possibilities are still there. "

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