by frankiespeakin 53 Replies latest jw friends
I think a key point to deal with is the continuing, repeated calls.
If a householder has told the JWs he/she is not interested they should not be subjected to continued visits everytime the territory is worked. Therein is the harrassment.
Is it the householder's responsibility to formally request relief? Could the JWs (or other similar groups) be required to ask if future calls are welcome? Would it be illegal to require JWs or other such groups to ask this?
The door to door work of JWs is harassment, when you consider that they call for the most part in the morning, univited to talk about why there religion is the right one and often have very bad things to say about other belief systems, which has the potential of disturbing the peace.
That's REALLY streching it. You can always move to another country where there is no freedom of religion.
Just because you don't agree with it or don't like it, it should be against the law? Give me a break.
Warlock
I would suggest putting up "no trespassing" signs based on the laws/ordinances in your area. I would then let the local congregation know you do not want anyone to visit, send them a registered letter to that effective to confirm your phone call to the presiding overseer. Let them know that you will call the police and request that the JWs be charged with trespassing if they disobey your legally placed signs.
The WTS sent a letter to the congregations and put a warning about disregarding "no trespassing" signs, that JWs do at their individual peril and that the WTS will not support them legally.
Blondie
I think in a democracy , if people want something like that to be made illegal it can happen . Personally I'm sick of laws so don't really care . I think you can prosecute if you put up signs of no trespassers . I think the j-dubs are very close to being identified by the legal system as a dangerous cult .
I would like to know what steps the federal or state governments in the US are taking to declare the WTS a dangerous cult.
Some might point to the blood transfusion issue but then what about Christian Scientists who accept no medical treatment whatsoever?
Or even Scientology....are steps being made to declare it a cult in the US.
We have to be careful that our statements of fact are not just wishful thinking. There are many cults in the US alone. Just a look at Steven Hassan's website shows that. Better to educate people to protect themselves against any cult, not just the WTS.
http://www.freedomofmind.com/resourcecenter/groups/
Blondie
I think in a democracy , if people want something like that to be made illegal it can happen . Personally I'm sick of laws so don't really care . I think you can prosecute if you put up signs of no trespassers . I think the j-dubs are very close to being identified by the legal system as a dangerous cult .
But Heathen, all you have to do is tell them not to call back,or, as you say, put up a sign.
First of all, J.W.'s will preach some how, some way.
Second of all, if you were to make it illegal, what will be the next thing to be made illegal?
I'm just saying you can use what we have now, to keep J.W.'s from disturbing your peace, if that's how you see it.
Warlock
Caba,
I think a key point to deal with is the continuing, repeated calls.
Yes, that is a key point.
If a householder has told the JWs he/she is not interested they should not be subjected to continued visits everytime the territory is worked. Therein is the harrassment.
Exactly. Why should anyone have to put up with that, a persons religious freedom should not be allowed to interfere the rights of others not to be harassed on their own door step.
Is it the householder's responsibility to formally request relief?
No, I don't think so. It should be taken for granted, that unless the house holder requested a visit, and they belong to another religion it is harassment to call repeatedly uninvited to talk about religion.
Could the JWs (or other similar groups) be required to ask if future calls are welcome? Would it be illegal to require JWs or other such groups to ask this?
I think it should be fair and not single out just the JWs, same should apply to all religious groups, especially those that do it on a regular repeat basis. Why should a person be continally forced to resist such tactics when clearly their home privacy is being invaded, by a bothersome religion they don't even belong to.
I do agree warlock. As I said I'm more or less an anarchist anyway so very sick of laws , I think we live in a legalistic tyranny as it is . Apparently you can get away with starting an illegal war but don't try preaching on peoples door steps . It's ridiculous. blondie made some very astute points as well , I think it would cost too much time and money to prosecute somebody just for talking about their God on your property uninvited . I do think there are steps being made to catagorize the WTBTS as a dangerous cult , not just wishful thinking there because I see it on the web all the time . France seems to have already done it .Russia and several other european countries have done it.
Repeated Uninvited Calls to a person's home to talk about a religion that they do not belong to, should be considered harasment, and subject to fines.
Can you give a case of where a JW was charged and found guilty and fined or punished for doing so?
Blondie
