Should Uninvited D to D Work of Jehovah's Witnesses be against the Law? (page 3)

BCZAR2ME

Just put up a " Trespassers will be Violated" sign.

bczar

frankiespeakin

Blondie,

Can you give a case of where a JW was charged and found guilty and fined or punished for doing so? Blondie

I don't have any cases, where the were convicted, but i do know that in Cheshire, Connecticut, they have laws against going door to door, and that the WT never contested it, and that while I was a JW our cong. had the territory and we were told not to work that town.

Honesty

about the work of LDS/Mormons going from d2d; or the Baptists down the road who do go d2d as well?

Our door to door consists mainly of following up on people who have rehgistered at our events such as the Living Christmas Tree, Harvest Festival and Christmas in August.

We do occassionally serve coffee and donuts at Wal-Mart on the Friday after thanskgiving but don't attempt to convert.

BTW, we wear ID badges with our name and church printed on them so that people know exactly who we are.

I say let the JW's keep going door to door but make 'em wear Convention-type ID badges with their name and congregation listed on them.

OnTheWayOut

I believe the time is ripe for the door to door activities of the Witnesses to be regulated, in part, because of their policy of allowing known sex offenders to make uninvited calls on stranger's homes without disclosure or accountability.

The Witnesses try to hide who they represent when they call. The Witnesses try to be personally anonymous and resist giving out their personal name and address when asked. The Witnesses are dishonest in that they deny the purpose of their calls is to raise funds and recruit new group members. That paragraph represents dishonest recruiting practices and misrepresentation. Those are two good reasons to regulate them and the others who benefit from the Witness's prolific litigations.

I am 100% behind Garybuss in his posted suggestions. I want to add that concerns about modern terrorism would make it easy to get laws passed about regulating d2d activities. Honesty had the right idea about badges with Congregation and personal name on them. Let the organization stand behind it's literature distributors, also. Make them say that "Yes, this person represents the WTBTS."

The law allows their work, but the law is not fixed. It is subject to interpretation and regulation and change. It would not be a violation of their freedoms to regulate their free speech. People used to assemble in public parks to hear a speech, now they need a permit- that's regulation.

My wife (faithful JW) is appalled by the street corner preachers in downtown Chicago. I pointed out to her that that preacher is using the same freedom the JW's are exercising, and in fact, is doing it more in line with the Biblical history than JW's. In the Bible, they proclaimed the gospel in the public square, the market place, and in private homes. I didn't tell her this (yet) but the NWT has altered the scriptures to say "house-to-house." My research has led me to the conclusion that disciples had their meetings in homes when they were invited to do so. I know I am getting off subject but the JW's don't even follow the Bible example correctly, and they would insist that they do.

riverofdeceit

No, I don't see a reason to make it illegal. I think it is stupid, but I think the same thing about those a**holes in the kiosks at the mall who always want "30 seconds of my time" to sell me the "chopper" or a nail buffer, or some other junk. Yeah, it is different than someone coming to my house and selling me shite, but how is it different than girl scouts selling cookies? I'm not interested in their cookies any more than I am interested in Jehovah and his ego problems. Someone selling God, knocking on my door once or less every six months, doesn't seem like much of an issue. I suppose you could get some sort of registering process going down, but I don't like the idea of the government being involved in even MORE stuff, if not really necessary. JWs are dangerous if you buy their stuff, but in this day and age, anyone who buys anything without investigating/researching it first is an idiot. If you really don't want them coming back, tell them, call the Kingdom hall and request to be on the do not call list if necessary. Governments banning their door to door "work" will make them more fervent, more exited, more paranoid, more dangerous. Anything limiting freedom of speech (by government, not by private citizens on private property) is far more dangerous than JWs knocking on your door.

proplog2

At various times congregations have been asked to show hands on method they learned the "truth":

Relative

Friend

Co-Worker

Casual acquaintance

Door-to-door

Very few learn about JW's through Door-to-door.

If they couldn't go from door to door it would give them more time to use other more effective means of getting converts.

heathen

If they couldn't go from door to door it would give them more time to use other more effective means of getting converts.

No kidding , they already found the web , so now all they have to do is put magnetic signs on their cars with the web address .LOL

cabasilas

I think it's clear that the courts have held that JWs have the legal right (freedom of speech, freedom of religion) to call on people at their homes.

However, I also think a legal argument based on the right to privacy could be made against repeated calls after being told not to call again. I do not think the legal victories won by JWs gives them unlimited permission to make continued visits on people who have told them not to call back. And, since JWs often ignore requests not to call back (except when it's done formally) I think some regulation of repeated visits by JWs could be feasible.

In other words, they have the right to call once but they do not have the right to make repeated calls if the householder objects.

JT

just a fyi

when the case was lost in OH i wrote the mayor and explained to him --who i was "a Former Society Man"- smile

i told him that the jw have a little "UN-known program"-- in place that householders can particpate in free of charge and it would cost the city $0.00-no legal fees , no wt lawsuits etc. and it will prevent the jw from coming by.

when my wife and i left wt --we had a home built in a beatiful subdivision here in the suburbs of Washington DC, when we left we became acitve in community issues. we both were elected to our homeowners boards

the jw are always working our area, so i explained to my neighbors that the jw have introduced a "NEW Program" that allows homeowers who perfer not to rec a visit --not to get one==

i epxlained that this "New Program" is called the "Do Not Call List" much like other "OP-OUT" programs that folks sign up for when they don't want to be bothered.

i explained to them that the jw have a little card that they note homes not to call on so that they will not waste your time or theirs-

i went on to explained to them the next time a jw stiops by - just merely informed the jw that they would like to participate in the "Program" that you jw offer to homeowners

"The Do Not call List" and can you put my home down on the list- smile-

well it went over so well with my neighbors cause they started requested this by the jw - i know the local elders must have freaked out

my wife- Lady C got the bright idea of why not have some real fun- since we have a Newsletter for the homeowners, that shows religous services times, local events and news -etc

why not put it into the newsletter- my wife said

so i thought about it and how would i do this --so when the board meet, i introduced the "New Program" that the JW were offering for FREE-smiel an "OP\OuT= Do not call program-

as one board member said, "that is nice that they would do that, now if we could only get all the patio and deck builders, wiindow washer, landscape folks to offer something like that"

being that the program is Offered we merely made the community aware of this fine serviced offered by the jw- smile

sure enough- folks on other streets started requesting the jw to put thier homes on the "Do Not Call List"

from what i was told by a jw who we helped to get out- that the CO expressed concern that in our territory so many folks were requesting to be put on the Do Not call list

i will see if i can find the newletter we put it in and scan it for you all-

so i wrote the mayor and told him that the folks could literally request to be put on the Do Not Call List for FREE, since it is a JW "Program"

see folks the wt uses all means legally to shutdown websites, harrass folks,etc

we need to be more creative in dealling with the wt, being that most of us are former jw we must take what we learned and now just FLIP IT!!!!!!!!!!!

it is so much fun

we are always getting solictors stopping by and many homeowners wanted to know what could be done about it, including jw, we have alittle over 800 homes in out subdivision-

so one night i told my wife i wanted to have some unn

Should Uninvited D to D Work of Jehovah's Witnesses be against the Law?

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