Why do apostates lie about where they get their information? (page 7)

frankiespeakin

Why do apostates lie about where they get their information?

To avoid prejudice, and disfellowshipment. JWs are a very pejudice group of closeminded people that have been strongly indoctrinated to reject anything that contridicts thier beleifs.

JW are the masters of ad hominem: the question on the accuracy of the data is not as important as the question where the information came from. If the source is APOSTATES that it is not worth even thinking about its contents. Mostly, it is enough if the source is the INTERNET.

hillary_step

GermanXJW,

JW are the masters of ad hominem: the question on the accuracy of the data is not as important as the question where the information came from.

In many ways this statement sums up all you will ever need to know about the WTS and other high-control religions and cults. It clearly underlines the ethical jumble that passes for its policies.

Well said!

Slimboy makes a valid point, but he seems to underestimate the concept that is the lifeblood of the WTS, and that it to keep its adherents in ignorance. Their motive for doing this ranges widely from utter contempt for the free will and expression of its followers, to a sincere but misguided desire to keep them in a 'place of safety'. Either way these policies are a danger.

It is often the more common that we think icnoclastic JW thinker who manages to shatter the emotional and pseudo-intellectual bonds that hold its victims prisoners, but these only put words to the uneasy feelings that we all carry with us when we are victims of a cognitive dissonance. Those who have brought, and bring information to the world that undermines the WTS are doing society a service and that their information is given wings by those who use it to break out of the WTS should not be condemned for doing this.

Their motives are not relevant, their information is.

HS

Green Chille

When I was a JW I came to the conclusion in the last 2 years as a JW and didn't need anyone to tell me that the Holy Spirit did not guide the so called anointed sitting at a round table in Brooklyn. The Daniel paperback book (WTS very own book) opened my eyes to their lies. I had no idea that a web site such as this one exsisted.

I can only say to simboyfat that there are many more who saw the same message I did from the WTS magazines and books.

Forscher

Why do apostates lie about where they get their information?

If one is asking in regards to JC committeee hearings, the answert is quite obvious as pointed out by others. It is to avoid instant DF'ng. If one is asking about private conversations with other Dubs, the answer is pretty much the same. In other contexts the answer just might be the sloppy citation practices learned from the mother organization more than any intended dishonesty friend.

I, for one, don't even worry about it.

Forscher

itsallgoodnow

what's you're question exactly? is it why do people who are questioning the org or getting ready to leave not divulge the sources of their questions or where they found something out? or are you asking why is it that all apostates believe something written about the org and that's why they left the org? if it's the latter, I don't feel the need to defend why I left to you or list all the reasons it wasn't about 1975.

JWdaughter

Back in the day I saw a lot of quotes from apostate literature-and I took it with a grain of salt since I had been told that they were all lies, out of context and distortions. I had enough on the org to want out. I didn't need anything more current than a recent WT article, the bound volumes and piles of old WT's in my mom's house and the Bible. HOWEVER, once I was well and truly out, I had two opportunities to see the 'real' old literature. One was at the BYU library and one was at a Christian seminary of some sort in NJ. I checked on many of the 'out of context' quotes and found them to be even MORE strange, off base and nuts than represented by the 'apostates'. In other words, the literature confirmed what the 'apostates' told me that it said. And then some. It was some crazy stuff. I hadn't even known about a lot of the pyramid measuring nonsense.

I don't need to lie, and it doesn't matter where the info comes from if it is true. The WT wants to change the subject and put it on the 'apostate' rather than dealing with the real issue-which is what they teach/taught/lie about. They try to set up a false dilemma. It isn't about where a JW gets the info. Its the info.

aniron

Maybe because they are doing what followers of the Watchtower have been taught to do:

"While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it.

Jehovah God allows an "operation of error" to go to persons who prefer falsehood "that they may get to believing the lie" rather than the good news about Jesus Christ."Aid to Bible Understanding

"God's Word commands: "Speak truth each of you with his neighbor." (Eph. 4:25) This command, however, does not mean that we should tell everyone who asks us all he wants to know. We must tell the truth to one who is entitled to know, but if one is not so entitled we may be evasive"WT June 1st 1960

But hiding the truth, which he is not entitled to know, from an enemy does not harm him, especially when he would use such information to harm others who are innocent.

So in time of spiritual warfare it is proper to misdirect the enemy by hiding the truth. It is done unselfishly; it does not harm anyone; on the contrary, it does much good.

WT May 1st 1957

Bodhisattva1320

very trivial thread but none-the-less we SHOULD just be glad ANYONE -no matter what the means- is leaving this rediculous religion. Who cares what source they have- its a choice yo- plain and simple and leaving and disproving JWs happens to be a great, free, choice.

Junction-Guy

Most everyone here knows what to say to a JW and how. Just about everything said on these boards about JW doctrine is true and verifiable in the WT Society's own publications, there is no need to lie. Their own literature is proof enough, that is why the WT Society works so hard to shut down certain websites. Slimboyfat, you always seem to question the motives of XJW's yet you brush aside the WT Society's lying tactics.

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