How often should the Lord's Supper be celebrated per year

by avidbiblereader 32 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    The Didachè (second half of 1st century or early 2nd, hence contemporary to the NT texts) reads (ch. 14):

    But every Lord's day (kata kuriakèn de kuriou) gather yourselves together, and break bread (klasate artôn), and give thanksgiving (eukharistèsate)after having confessed your transgressions, that your sacrifice may be pure. But let no one who is at odds with his fellow come together with you, until they be reconciled, that your sacrifice may not be profaned. For this is that which was spoken by the Lord: "In every place and time offer to me a pure sacrifice; for I am a great King, says the Lord, and my name is wonderful among the nations."

    The Christian technical terms (kuriakè, = 1 Corinthians 11:20; Revelation 1:10; klasai artôn + eukharistein, Matthew 14:19; 15:36; 26:26; Mark 8:6, 19; 14:22; Luke 22:19; 24:30; Acts 2:46; 20:7 "on the first day of the week" = sunday, 11; 27:35; 1 Corinthians 10:16; 11:23f) clearly point to a weekly observance -- which the idealistic picture of the Pentecost church in Acts 2:46 even makes daily (kath'hemeran).

    Moreover a special observance of the Jewish luni-solar calendar for a Passover-like yearly celebration (as the JW memorial) is especially unlikely in the Pauline churches, e.g. Romans 14:5f; Colossians 2:16.

    Edit: Leolaia posted as I was typing, as usual

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Heathen, Leolaia and Narkosis, thank you so much for your posts, I have always wondered this part of our worship. I have never bought into the way meetings are conducted today with the Witnesses and have always felt what you have posted, That worship back then with the love feasts and the sharing of meals and taking up food collections and distribution of foods, that there gathering had alot more encouragment and sharing then it did with the constand pounding of what we experienced as Witnesses which makes me wonder abou the whole phrase that Paul said in the DFing of the Corinthian Congregation about "not even eating with such a man"

    I have already been thinking about this scripture for a long time and how out of context it is and what Paul meant by it. But it coincides with your posts and again I want to thank you for your info. I too agree that it should be eaten more than once a year and probably as posted the Christians WHENEVER they did get together or as often, it was a great reminder of what Jesus did and need to stay away from the temples and the "table of demons" at that time.

    I don't think we can put a number on how many times but whenever you gather would be the thinking of what Paul meant. Have a great day everyone.

    abr

  • bernadette
    bernadette

    Hi abr

    which makes me wonder abou the whole phrase that Paul said in the DFing of the Corinthian Congregation about "not even eating with such a man"which makes me wonder abou the whole phrase that Paul said in the DFing of the Corinthian Congregation about "not even eating with such a man"

    that an interesting point. Care to elaborate. I'd like to know more of what your thoughts are on the above.

    bernadette

  • Justahuman24
    Justahuman24

    Well, I think it's every year because again, it was supposed to replace the Jewish Passover. And it was mentioned that the Last Supper celebration's details were common knowledge back then so that's why Paul didn't go into details and since most of the first Christians were Jews, it is very likely they celebrated it every year on Nisan 14. In fact, it's said that the churches of the east (asia minor) did this and Polycarp is known to have followed in this tradition which he said he received from the Apostles or those who knew the apostles. He even went to Rome to talk to the "bishop" of rome because they didn't follow such tradition.

    Just bcz Paul says "as often" doens't mean or imply it should be done every day or every week. bcz for that matter, then it'd be better to do it back to back, many times a day. I go with every year based on the Jewish calendar like Polycarp did.

    P.S. What's wrong with you, Morocco? You always seem angry or rude in your posts? lol

    justahuman - but super nonetheless

  • Terry
    Terry

    The most insidious theological innovation of Jehovah's Witnesses is separating believers from Jesus every chance they get.

    First, they have the Great Crowd of other sheep who must sit in the back of the bus.

    Then, they don't allow them to partake of the emblems.

    Then, they disallow the understanding that the ransom sacrifice applies directly to them, etc.

    You can drive a large truck through the gap between Jesus and the average Kingdom hall publisher thanks to these dictates passed off as "food at the proper time."

    Compare the hierarchy of the Catholic Church with the levels of bureacracy in the Watchtower Society and you'll find a match at every level. But, even in the Catholic Church you can partake of the emblems daily if you so desire.

    Majesterium is alive and well in Brooklyn.

  • bennyk
    bennyk
    In fact, it's said that the churches of the east (asia minor) did this and Polycarp is known to have followed in this tradition which he said he received from the Apostles or those who knew the apostles. He even went to Rome to talk to the "bishop" of rome because they didn't follow such tradition.

    Just bcz Paul says "as often" doens't mean or imply it should be done every day or every week. bcz for that matter, then it'd be better to do it back to back, many times a day. I go with every year based on the Jewish calendar like Polycarp did.

    According to the Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge, the Pascha was celebrated once a year: by the quartodecimans on 14. Nisan, by the other Churches on Good Friday (q.v. under "Easter"). However, the same Encyclopedia states that the Eucharist (i.e. Communion) was celebrated weekly (on Sunday) by the early Church.

    The fact that the Church in Corinth ceased treating the Lord's Supper with respect so very quickly (1 Cor. chapter 11) militates against the likelihood of the Lord's Supper being an annual event; it became profaned because of its frequency.

  • OUTLAW
    OUTLAW

    It all depends on what he`s having for supper..Turkey,steak or chicken I can do a couple times a week..Liver,I just won`t show up...OUTLAW

  • moggy lover
    moggy lover

    In my opinion, there is simply no way in which we can be dogmatic over an issue in which the Bible has left silent. Placing a frequency on this celebation would be to make the Bible say something that it does not say, a tactic practised by the WTS, for which we are all familiar.

    The only two clues we have are the two expressions: "Do this is memory of me" said by Christ, and "As often as" used by Paul [1Cor 11:25,26] Neither of these imply necessarily a once-a-year routine, in fact the evidence, as we have it , suggests otherwise

    1 How often would "doing this in memory" of Christ be? Again, the only clue we have is the word "Memory of" which is the Greek: "Anamnesis" Apart from its Lord's Supper association, the word is used only twice more in the Sacred Text, both in the OT Grk LXX.

    At Lev 24:7 it is used in regard to the weekly changing of the Shewbread in the tabernacle, a ritual that Yahweh says, is a "Reminder" [anamnesis] to the Jews

    It is then used at Num 10:10, which refers to the blasting of trumpets that were to usher in the various Jewish festivals.The blasting of these trumpets was to be a "reminder" [anamnesis] for the Jews. How often were these trumpets blown? The answer varies, depending on what constituted a "festival" It could be at least quaterly, every four months, or if the observation of the New moon is considered, it would be every 28 days approximately, or if the Sabbaths are taken into the account every week. So, whereas an annual celebration cannot be discounted, it is the least remote of the possibilities to be understood

    So the evidence leaves room for interpretation, and with the work of the Holy Spirit operating on an individual group of believers, makes for a possibility of various permutations. And it is no business of others to interfere.

    It would have meant "annualy", only if Christ had said, as Yahweh said to the Jews regarding the Passover, "Keep this day in memory of me" which of course He didn't

    In the Jan 1 WT of 2003, on pg 32, in the infamous QFR the anonymous writers of the article, presented a disingenous line of '' reasoning '' to make the Bible authorize an annual form of celebrating the Lord's Supper.

    They pointed out, for instance, to the Grk term "Hosarkis" used by Paul at 1 Cor 11, which means "as often as" and argued that since the word occurs at 1 Sam 1:7, where its usage is clearly meant to be a "yealy" occurence, that the case for a yearly celebration was closed and not open for debate.

    It is only when you actually consult the citation mentioned - 1 Sam 1:7, that you realize the extent of the brazen deceit of the WT writers. The word "often" does occur in the English, in various translations, but certainly not in the majority, but it does not translate the Grk "Hosarkis" because the word does not occur there.

    In fact, apart from Paul's use at 1 Cor 11: 25,26, the word does occur once more in the Sacred Text, at Rev 11:6, and here it clearly means "frequently" Wanna know why the WTS kept that text locked up? Well go figure.

    Then they implied, that, even if the word does mean "frequently" the fact that it has been observed at least 2000 times in the past 20 centuries by "true Christans" - the FDS, it demonstates the meaning of the word. Trouble here is that there is simply no evidence of this occurence. The claim, as is so often the case with WT reasoning, is simply asserted with equal amounts of bluster and rhetoric with no consideration given to even a modicum of scholarship.

    They then argue that since Paul referred to "Christ as our Passover" [1 Cor 5:7] that this was convincing enough for an annual obsevation. Again the point is, that the WTS has not yet learned that Paul said "Christ" was our Passover and not "The memorial is our Passover"

    By insisting on keeping the celebration to once a year, the WTS is encouraging a fascination with a ritual, rather than focussing on the central position of the Person involved.

    Finally in that article a historian by the name of Von Mosheim is referred to, who evidently in an unnamed work, made reference to a remote Christian community in the 2nd C AD who celebrated the Lord's Supper just once a year. Unfortunately, something that has evidently escaped the WTS, is that these believers would have been apostate in the eyes of the WTS, since they in no way rendered worship to the jehoover so beloved of the WTS. There were other communities at the same time who held to other views of the frequency of the "Lord's Supper.

    Remember, that according to WT theology, by the end of the 1st C the Christian Church slid into apostasy, and needed to be revived in 1879, for true worship to be restored.

    The varieties of Christian experience in the early years of the historic Church preserves a history of a vibrant, living community of scattered believers, whose love for their Lord led them to worship Him in many ways. They were in no way, even remotely, patterened on the cultic existence of the currently constituted WTS

    Cheers

  • Narkissos
    Narkissos

    Justahuman,

    Well, I think it's every year

    Care to refute the previous arguments in this thread against it?

    because again, it was supposed to replace the Jewish Passover

    Says who? I can think of several texts suggesting that Jesus'death, once and for all, replaces the Jewish Passover. The Gospel of John seems to stress this by having Jesus die at the same time as the Passover lamb(s), hence before the Passover meal. As moggy lover already said, there is not one text, otoh, to hint that the Eucharist itself (which is conspicuously absent from the Fourth Gospel, and is not always as directly connected to either Jesus' death or the Passover as you may think, btw) replaces the Passover. And it would still be quite a stretch to infer a calendar pattern from such a theological parallelism. Anyway -- again -- this goes against the wealth of textual and historical evidence as exposed above.

    . And it was mentioned that the Last Supper celebration's details were common knowledge back then so that's why Paul didn't go into details and since most of the first Christians were Jews, it is very likely they celebrated it every year on Nisan 14.

    I doubt the "Christians" in Corinth or in the Pauline churches were majoritarily Jewish, and for the reasons already stated I can't imagine Paul or his immediate followers subjecting Gentile believers to a Jewish calendar. About Polycarp, as bennyk pointed out, you are mixing up two completely different issues, i.e. the Passover (paskha) and the Eucharist or Lord's Meal (as the WT disingenuously does).

  • avidbiblereader
    avidbiblereader

    Bernadette, I am working on something right now but want to wait until I have it all together, I read and pray a lot when reading and I see things in a logical sense and things just keep popping out at me when I study. I see things like I never have before and I am not saying that I am right but want to do some more research on it. I for one agree with DFing, but only in the context of how it was meant, I think the witness have it WAY off, they combine "not even eating with such a person" and "do not welcome him into your home or say a greeting to him" all in the same breath, Kind of like the great crowd other sheep, my heart and mind from reading and praying says this is way off from what God meant by it, But the DFing is such a good tool for thw witnesses they will never let it go, people would be leaving in droves. It is their last strong hold on the flock. I will post it on the forum as soon as I am done.

    abr

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