Islamic Violence not new.....

by Rex B13 42 Replies latest jw friends

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    In response to Norm Norwig's usual wide brush of generalization,that sweeps in all religion as causing all the problems of the world......

    A “Prophet” Finds Honor At Last

    By Cal Thomas
    Syndicated columnist
    September 28, 2001

    If there were such things as prophets in our day, as there were in ancient times, former (and perhaps future) Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu would be one.

    Last week, Netanyahu, whose grandfather was a rabbi, was in Washington sounding vindicated. For years he has been prophesying about terrorism but few would listen. Now everybody is listening.

    Netanyahu testified before the House Committee on Government Reform and later met in private with senators. What he said should be required reading for every person who loves liberty and wants to maintain it.

    (Pay close attention, you who support the cause of the Palestinians)

    “What is at stake today,” he warned the committee, “is nothing less than the survival of our civilization.” Three weeks ago, that would have sounded alarmist, even extreme. Not anymore. “Our values are hated with an unmatched fanaticism that seeks to destroy our societies and our way of life,” he said soberly.

    Netanyahu knows the neighborhood in which he lives and has been personally scarred by terrorism. His brother was killed in 1976 during a commando raid he lead to free hostages from Palestinian terrorists who had hijacked a plane to Entebbe, Uganda.

    Echoing President Bush, Netanyahu told the House committee that terrorism is sustained by nations, such as Syria, Iran, Iraq and Libya. “Take away all this state support and the entire scaffolding of international terrorism will collapse into the dust,” he said.

    While Netanyahu spoke only of modern terrorism and gave a lesson in recent history, the fact is that Islamic terrorism has been an endemic element of the Middle East for 13 centuries. With the exception of Turkey, all modern Islamic regimes have come to power through violence. None has tolerated any challenge to its supremacy. They first terrorize their own citizens who fail to comply with the regime’s political or religious beliefs, then they terrorize outsiders, claiming a divine mandate. Equal rights, especially for women, are unknown in such nations.

    (Hmmm, not even close to the situation of women in the civilized, CHRISTIAN nations, eh Norm?)

    Terrorism is not an aberration, nor is it born primarily out of frustration to achieve economic parity with wealthier nations. Terrorism is a policy. It is embraced to achieve an objective its practitioners believe cannot be reached in any other way. It has nothing to do with the existence or non-existence of Israel; otherwise there would have been no terrorism in the Middle East for so long.

    It matters little that a majority of Moslems have not pledged themselves to the forced implementation of radical Islam. They do not have the guns or the fanaticism of the radicals, who seek, according to Netanyahu, to “roll back the West and install an extremist form of Islam as the dominant power in the world.” It makes one long for the good old days of communism.

    In a telephone conversation before returning to Israel, Netanyahu told me he sees America’s tardy recognition of the terrorist threat as “the beginning of the beginning.” He worries, though, that not everyone has gotten the message, noting the continued “pressure on Israel” to meet with Yasser Arafat, an author and promoter of the very terrorism the U.S. opposes. Netanyahu wants us to know about a “terror museum” erected at Al-Najah University, in the Palestinian West Bank city of Nablus. The grisly exhibit glorified the recent suicide bombing of a Sbarro pizza restaurant in Jerusalem.

    Natanyahu says he believes most of the American public now understands what he and Israel have experienced for decades. “The liberals are smashed,” he says. “They must be quiet or join in the applause (for President Bush’s policies).” Not exactly. The “peace at any price” crowd is beginning to stir but they are less likely to be taken seriously by the public, which gives President Bush a 90 percent approval rating.

    In his appearance before the House committee, Netanyahu warned, “Some of you may find it hard to believe that Islamic militants truly cling to the mad fantasy of destroying America. Make no mistake, they do. Unless they are stopped now, their attacks will continue, and become even more lethal in the future.”

    That sounds like the warning of a prophet.

    © 2001 TRIBUNE MEDIA SERVICES, INC.

    Just think, Norm. If one of those wonderful arab regimes has a medium range missle, tipped with a nuke and America was not interested in protecting your big butt, you could be in for a world of hurt. You and the rest of Europe.
    Ah but your politicians have much better brains than you. They see the threat clearly and support America as many fellow Christians will again go in harms way to make the world safe for unappreciative little men to tap away at their computers, whining about how hateful Christians are!
    You're a joke, Norm. One day your platform for spewing lies will be gone and you forgotten. When JWs go mainstream no one will care about your little vendetta against all persons of faith.
    Rex

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Netanyahu makes some good points, but he can hardly be expected to be impartial in this instance. If you quoted Arafat on the same subject, I would point out the same problem.

    The fact that some people don't want America to go to war over this, but would rather just the terrorists and their supporters be brought to justice instead, doesn't make them any less American than those who want to lob nukes.

    The fact that some soldiers fighting on behalf of America happen to be Christian doesn't negate the fact that Christians have been guilty of terrible atrocities throughout history.

    Life is not black and white, Rex. Some Christians have done wonderful things, some have done horrible things, both in the name of Christ. Some Muslims have done wonderful things, some have done horrible things, both in the name of Allah. It's no wonder that some of us hate to see religious fanatacism -- no matter what God the fanatics worship.

  • AlanF
    AlanF

    Actually, Rexie, a large percentage of Christian religions have proved themselves to be just as bad as Moslems are painted in your post. Let's make a short list, shall we?

    Who killed tens of thousands of people, including Christians, Jews and Moslems during the Middle Ages, for not being orthodox Christians?

    Christians.

    What faith was Calvin, who caused the murder of dozens of other Christians who disagreed with him?

    Christian.

    What faith were the ones who killed many women in the Salem witch trials?

    Christian.

    Why did Mexico in the 19th century ban all religions from owning property or having political power?

    Because the Christian Catholic Church abused its power in its attempt to rule the world.

    What faith were the Conquistadors, who killed outright tens of thousands of Native Americans and brought disease that killed tens of millions?

    Catholic Christian.

    What faith were the conquerers and settlers of North America, who likewise killed millions of Native Americans?

    Protestant Christian.

    What faith were the people who allowed Hitler to kill at least ten million Jews and other European "undesirables"?

    Christian.

    So, Rexie, it's true that violence has long been a part of both Moslem and Christian history. The violence is inevitably instigated or justified by claiming that "God's will" is somehow involved. And of course it's almost always the fanatics, the fundamentalists of a religion who are prone to violence, or at least to stomping wholesale on human rights.

    It is my hope that the recent terrorist attacks will help the reasonable people of the world wake up and understand that a great deal of the world's violence comes from fundamentalist religious fanatics, and put these religions in straightjackets. It has been demonstrated time and again that it's an easy thing for a charismatic leader, Christian or Moslem, to incite masses of followers to violence.

    AlanF

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    I agree with you, Seeker.
    Let's recognize some very inportant points differences. Fundametalism in Islam is extremism to us, for a central teaching of Islam is that all humans must be converted who live, or they will be killed. The public 'jihad'.
    Christian fundamentalism is nowhere close to this, since the Bible has no central teaching to compare to that. We leave judgement in God's hands and depend on His mercy and justice, not our own.

    Israel was established under U.N. charter legally. The Islamic antions use it as an excuse for they even hate the Palestinians, though less than they hate the Jews and Christians. Islam was established by a man who never produced a miracle. He didn't follow his own laws and his follower fought and killed to rule when he died.
    No, not much to compare to the apostles or Jesus' teachings, is there?
    Rex

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Hi Alan,
    Simply put, you are a liar. You are either too stupid to understand the difference in teachings between the religious writngs or you are a liar. We all know you aren't stupid, don't we?

    Any comparison betweeen claimed Christians who violated the teachings of God's word and Islamic fundamentalists who are simply FOLLOWING THE TEACHINGS of their own sacred writings shows your lie. Where is the 'jihad', led by man on earth, Al baby?
    When are you going to quit lying about the life of Christ and the individual's resposibility to God for his actions while living on earth? You intentionally blame all Christians for the acts attributed to our basic depraved nature!
    The fact that dweebs like you live in a free country and critisize the main religion in that country without fear speaks volumes to your lying slander.
    Go on over to one of the 'moderate' states and spout your 'scientific and logical' nonsense (much less critisize Islamic teachings) and we'll see how quickly you shut up or leave, eh smart boy?

    Ah, but you were raised to be unappreciative of the deaths of Catholics and Protestants who died to keep your butt free, right Al baby? I suppose you would even march in protest of your country taking military action agains those responsible for the deaths in terrorist attacks, right?
    Rex

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Rex,

    Let's recognize some very inportant points differences. Fundametalism in Islam is extremism to us, for a central teaching of Islam is that all humans must be converted who live, or they will be killed. The public 'jihad'.
    Christian fundamentalism is nowhere close to this, since the Bible has no central teaching to compare to that. We leave judgement in God's hands and depend on His mercy and justice, not our own.

    What difference does it make to me if I am to be killed by a follower of Islam or by your God? Either way, my choice is convert or be killed. Not much of a difference from where I stand.

    However, I'm not convinced that Islam teaches what you say it does, or at least in such stark terms.

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Most Christians know very little about the Bible. They rely too much on what others say the Bible says, but they don't study it and learn for themselves. Even fewer Christians understand anything about Islam. They don't know that the Koran was written in the seventh century about events that Mohammed did not witness, unlike the Bible, which was written by people who witnessed the events.
    Mohammed never performed a miracle. He didn't follow his own teachings except the ones that benefitted him and his leutenants. They fought over control of his empire when he died and have been fighting ever since.
    This bunch ruined a culture superior to much of the west, much like the communist chinese ruined thier ancestor's culture.

    They don't know that Muslims have no assurance of heaven, other than martyrdom. There is no concept of personal sin or salvation.
    Rex

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    With all due respect, Rex, I'll not take your word on Muslim ideas, for you are hardly in a position to be impartial and fair.

    I have, however, read the Qu'ran. Have you?

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    http://answering-islam.org/Nehls/Ask/war.html

    Check out this link for information on 'Jihad'.
    Rex

  • Farkel
    Farkel

    : They don't know that the Koran was written in the seventh century about events that Mohammed did not witness, unlike the Bible, which was written by people who witnessed the events.

    Did Moses witness the creation of Adam and Eve, the worldwide flood, the Tower of Babel and several thousand other years of history that preceded him?

    Did Paul know Jesus while Jesus was on earth?

    Farkel

    "When in doubt, duck!"

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