What is marital rape?

by Lady Lee 49 Replies latest social family

  • RAF
    RAF

    maybe a bit off topic but :

    when I was reading the verses who where talking about adultery because of divorce - I was feeling that this was a bit too much to ask (regarding to my mothers situation for instance).

    but when I read it now what I read looks like something like this :
    Jesus said : before you were allow to dissmiss your wifes that was only because you are jerks (I guess he meant that they would turn into very unloving men and unloving situation if they wouldn't be allowed to do it) then he says something like : Now when you get married it's for good otherwise you are adulterians (a sin - ok - but sins are forgivable)

    Adulterians means being/have been in an unfaifthfull relationship regarding to your vows ... to me it means Men (and for our culture now Men and Women) make sure that when you make a vow you stand on it ! (and to read in beween the lines - take care of with who you will get married because by then you are both in a bad situation you won't be able to stand on your vows). There are no laws only advices (laws that make sure you wont get in trouble)

    So again it's all about true love ... no true love ?... no way to keep the peace ? ... I guess there is no choice?
    being adulterian is not the end! being a jerk is (if no regrets about that).

    Nobody is supposed to take any crap from anyone and moreover too long ... dont throw you pearls to swins ...

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W

    It took a long time for me to trust again, a very long time. Sometimes I feel thats why I have failed in other relationships!

    I will never forgive or forget!

    Ummm....Buttlight..... Lack of 'forgiveness' on your part in this circumstance is entirely forgiveable!!! What he did, however, is not. Don't EVER believe you have a problem with being forgiving--that you are somehow 'forgiveness challenged'--because some a**h**** violated you in the worst way. There is no reason for you TO forgive him!!

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W
    I never faulted her for leaving him, even before that statement.

    Good for you. It's hard enough to walk away from a marriage and have no support.

    I wish my kids could see it this way.

  • J-ex-W
    J-ex-W

    -------sorry, double post

  • RAF
    RAF

    to be more explicite about my post on this thread

    Everything told around the subject (and most others) was related to their culture … in this case : a divorced woman would have trouble finding a man (like she was not valuable), and a man who would have marry a divorced woman (would be stared at like – look that’s what this guy took for wife). They would both have to suffer about the situation.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    RAF Most definitely the vows have been broken once coersion, force and violence come into the marriage.

    I wrote something a while back. I wrote it when I was working in a Battered Women's Shelter. I refer to physical violence but there is no reason why marital rape doesn't apply here

    Til death do us part

    (NOTE: Although I speak about women here this can easily be reversed)

    I work with battered women who are leaving their husbands and ending their marriages. I have spoken with hundreds of women over the last few years who have chosen to end their marriages for good reasons. Inevitably they feel they have broken the vows they took when they married. And they feel guilty as a result of breaking those vows.

    Few women enter marriage with the idea of it being a temporary arrangement. Most times the hope is that the bond will last and together the couple will start a family and eventually grow old together.

    The vows that are taken are serious and most of the women I have spoken with took great effort to make sure the words they spoke rang true for them and formed a promise worthy of being kept. Many had written their own vows, writing words that came from the heart.

    But eventually life with the chosen partner became too difficult to endure and a different path was chosen. It hurt. It often felt like failure. Many women continued in the marriage long after there was any hope of improving the quality of life in the relationship.

    For women who marry and firmly believe in the sanctity of marriage there seems to be a sense of failure on the spiritual level as well as the personal one. This in part comes form the belief that the marriage vows are made in the "face of God" and therefore carry a further weight. They are then accountable to God for the failure of the marriage.

    One issue that I hear repeatedly is that the vows specifically address the issue of fidelity. And the women who choose to divorce when there has been no act of infidelity believe that they had no right to end the marriage at least not in the eyes of God.

    What most of these women seem to have not realized is that the marriage vow is more than just a vow of fidelity. It is a vow to love one another, to treat one another with honor and to care for one another. These three things are contained in most standard vows. And most often they come before the mention of fidelity.

    One standard vow is as follows:

    (Grooms Name) will you take (Brides Name) to be your lawful wife, will you love her, honor and keep her in sickness and in health and forsaking all others keep only unto her so long as you both shall live.

    (Brides Name) will you take (Grooms Name) to be your lawful husband, will you love him, honor and keep him in sickness and in health and forsaking all others keep only unto him so long as you both shall live

    Love, honor and caring for each other come before fidelity. Perhaps they come first because if one loves and honors and truly cares for each other then the desire to be with someone else is not a consideration.

    Many of the women I have spoken with about this issue were abused in the marriage by their partner. Many have spoken with other people about the possibility of divorce and many were told that it was their duty to remain faithful to their vows.

    But no one seems to realize that the abusive husband has already broken the vows. Through the abuse he has shown he has no love for his wife. He does not honor her when he hits her. Her does not cherish her when he screams and yells in her face. Or calls her names. He does not care for her when he controls her or uses her as a servant. He does not need to commit adultery to break the marriage vows. Abusers break the vows through their actions of hurt and pain they inflict on the one they made the vow to.

    And if he has broken his vow then the marriage is in effect over. It is over in her heart. And it is over in the eyes of God. The vow was about loving one another.

    I think in their hearts, deep down women know this. But they dont have the words for it.

    The marriage vow is about loving one another. And caring for one another. It is about honoring and cherishing each other. And being there for each other. And yes it is about fidelity.

    But without the love there is no marriage. No woman needs to feel guilty for leaving an abuser. Without the love the vows are broken.

  • Lady Lee
    Lady Lee

    I should have put the link in for the above post

    Til death do us part - divorce

    lol I almost clicked POST before I put it in

  • frankiespeakin
    frankiespeakin

    While married I never had sex unless my wife wanted to. But then latter I had a couple of different GFs that I was living with that made it plan to me that they would like it if I was a little more aggressive in sex, they wanted me to have sex with them sometimes while they were sleeping, or to almost go to the ponit of forcing myself on them if they refused. When I told them I couldn't do it, and that any unwillingness on thier part would turn off my desire they actually got a little pissed at me, for not being passionate enough. To me sex with an unwilling parner be it due to a head ache or being tired is a complete turn off. Maybe if I was younger like in my 20s I could have fullfilled thier wishes, but after I hit my 40s, it takes a little more to get me going.

  • dh
    dh

    isn't it when you say no, but your wife forces herself onto you?

  • RAF
    RAF

    But no one seems to realize that the abusive husband has already broken the vows. Through the abuse he has shown he has no love for his wife. He does not honor her when he hits her. Her does not cherish her when he screams and yells in her face. Or calls her names. He does not care for her when he controls her or uses her as a servant. He does not need to commit adultery to break the marriage vows. Abusers break the vows through their actions of hurt and pain they inflict on the one they made the vow to.

    And if he has broken his vow then the marriage is in effect over. It is over in her heart. And it is over in the eyes of God. The vow was about loving one another.

    every she could be a he ... of cours I agree totally !

    without the love there is no marriage. No woman needs to feel guilty for leaving an abuser. Without the love the vows are broken.

    Woman could be a man ... and of cours it all makes sense.

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