The serious conversation with the wife about the cult- part 2

by OnTheWayOut 39 Replies latest jw friends

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Here's part 1: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/127041/1.ashx

    I had an CO's visit recently. We had a different CO than the last one that was too
    busy to listen to my concerns. Here's my post telling the whole background story in one post:

    From: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/130346/1.ashx

    Here's the story in a nutshell.
    I stepped aside as elder in a foreign language congregation with a resignation letter in August.
    I cited doubts in doctrine concerning "This generation" and 1975, and also said I don't "know"
    the Governing Body well enough to teach their doctrine. The elders would not take action on the
    resignation until they got instructions from the Mother organization, but I turned over all my
    responsibilities then-and-there.

    The CO visited in October, the PO had to beg him to talk with me. He gave me 15 minutes of
    his time, saying he had a dinner engagement and had to leave. He told me I had everything I
    need in the WT Library to restore my confidence in the WTS and GB. He did not offer a prayer
    in my behalf, nor was he interested in listening to my doubts. He admitted that Mother's
    instructions to the elders was to "snatch me out of the fire." He was so rushed that I told him
    to go take care of the 99 and forget the 1 strayed sheep, I would be fine on my own.

    That same month, October, I turned in my first ZERO hours service slip, and it's been ZERO ever
    since, so this is the 5th month with no service. One more month, I will be "inactive." The elders
    have offered friendly chit-chat, but have not asked to speak with me at all. I have missed around
    50% of the Service Mtgs/ TMS and maybe 60% of Public Talks/ WT study. Since mid-January,
    I totally stopped going to the bookstudy- so it's been 6 weeks since I attended that at all.

    The bookstudy overseer has finally had other publishers ask me to come to the bookstudy, saying
    they miss me, and he, himself, followed suit today, asking me to come to the bookstudy, but
    doing so right as the meeting started, so I didn't have to answer, then not mentioning it again after
    the meeting.

    During the visit, after the meeting, the PO and the secretary went out of their way to talk to me.
    They did not ask about any problems, or try to counsel or help me. They just went out of their way
    for the CO to see them talking with me, it was just chit chat. The CO came over and joined the chit
    chat. I met him and left for home.

    I know the elder games. I told my wife what that was all about, but she didn't really get it. You see,
    the Body of elders was instructed to "snatch me out of the fire" because of my doubts. They have
    done nothing at all. They haven't inquired why I stopped reporting field service. They haven't asked to
    meet with me at all. The book study overseer hasn't asked why I won't come to the bookstudy, he gets
    other publishers to invite me to come, or others to ask about "preaching with me." So the PO and secretary
    spending time in the auditorium talking with me, acting like they spend much time being available and
    friendly to me- that's so they can tell the CO (at the elders meeting on Friday) that they try to help me as
    much as possible, but I have been closed to them. Truth-be-told, I would be closed to them, but they
    actually never tried to open a discussion. If they would just try, I would give them the excuse they need to
    stop trying again.

    I told the wife they were just being friendly so they could tell the CO they have been available to help me.
    She just said "Well, they are available to help you." I didn't bother going further with this discussion. This all
    works well with a fade.

    Well, now the Memorial is over. The wife and I went to it. She started making arrangements for something
    else this week at the K.H. She asked me if I was available after the meeting. I had decided that April would
    be the month I stopped going to the K.H. so I told her that I wasn't going to the meeting again this week.
    She asked me about "Why not?" even though I don't go often. I think she sensed my tone was different about
    not going this week than it was about missing other meetings.

    I told her that I would not be going to the meetings at all anymore. She asked if I had found some other religion
    to follow. I said "No." Then she asked why I didn't want to go. I said, "I have really been so much freer in my
    thinking to see the big problems with Jehovah's Witnesses. If I don't say anymore to you about your beliefs and
    what's wrong with the WTS, then I also won't try to discourage you. So that means, you don't ask me any
    questions about my beliefs, and I won't make any statements about your beliefs- and, also, when the elders ask
    you to spy on me or to tell them things about me, you can remember our agreement. You can tell them that
    they will have to ask me directly about my problems."

    Well, she agreed. She said "The elders have been pretty fair with you. You told them you didn't want their help
    and they gave you your space. I don't think they will ask me to spy on you."

    "And if you are wrong, or if they have any questions, you will tell them that you are not going to get in the middle?"

    "Okay."

    JWD posters- this is a major milestone in my path to freedom. My wife may stay a faithful witness, but without my
    support of her activity, her field service is a social club and she's late for more than 50% of her meetings. She has a
    master's degree (obtained while an elder's wife) and she disagrees with many things the society says, but supports their
    viewpoint overall. I don't think that she will go to meetings the rest of her life.

    I have tried for only 6 months to really pull her out. While I won't entirely give up pulling, the effort will be more minimal
    and crafty. I know that she might not keep her word, so my fade will continue as far as avoiding openly apostate
    materials, actions (as far as she knows). Please celibrate my milestone with me. NO MORE MEETINGS.

    Oh, we will discuss it another time. I will be happy to accompany her to the location of Assemblies and Conventions.
    I won't go in for the meeting, but I will be happy to bring her to the door.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut
    If I don't say anymore to you about your beliefs and
    what's wrong with the WTS, then I also won't try to discourage you.

    My wife says I have tried to discourage her. So I did clarify that this means
    I won't do it anymore.

    Also, the regular CO will be back in 6 months, so I want to get the elders used to
    my absence long before he shows up again. That way, he will probably say
    "Just forget him."

  • jaguarbass
    jaguarbass

    Congradulations, sounds like you are making progress.

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    I read about one guy who invited his Witness wife to the movies or out to a nice dinner on meeting nights and if she said no, he went without her and she missed out. I understand this worked much better than confrontations and MUCH better than supporting her Witness activity.

  • brunnhilde
    brunnhilde

    Congratulations on reaching another milestone in your fade. I personally am astonished at the virtual indifference we've received from our body of elders. One of the Minis was an absolutely raving loony trying to get us to answer the door, but the elders? Not so much... Don't get me wrong, I like you, am grateful since it suits my purpose, but I'm amazed at the dichotomy between the propaganda and the reality and the fact that the rank and file are able to just NOT see it. I think you're right about your wife. I can't imagine anyone with a master's degree staying a dub *shakes head in disbelief*

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Congratulations OTWO! I'm very happy for your progress. A tough road is ahead, but will ultimately lead to happiness and a fighting chance at mental and psychological health. Well done man!

    Nvr

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk
    I read about one guy who invited his Witness wife to the movies or out to a nice dinner on meeting nights and if she said no, he went without her and she missed out. I understand this worked much better than confrontations and MUCH better than supporting her Witness activity.

    Very nice garybuss! More flies with honey.

    Nvr

  • RULES & REGULATIONS
    RULES & REGULATIONS

    OnTheWayOut

    I know how you feel when you know you don't want to be a member any longer.

    My wife has never been a Witness. She will always ask me, ''Why ain't you going to the meeting.'' ''They will kick you out.'' ''They will come after you.'' She has become worse than a faithful Witness wife. I ask her ,"Why don't you go to the meetings 3 times a week,go out in service,attend summer conventions and read all the garbage the WTS teach." She says that since I believed it and got baptized,I should stick with it. What I believed 30 years ago is not what I believe now.

  • Brother Apostate
    Brother Apostate

    I perhaps owe you a much better reply than this, but I am trying to be succinct:

    It's a roll of the dice, my Brother.

    I have heard my (ex) wife state the same, yet it ended not as I intended.

    The Elders, CO, PO, all the king's men, etc don't give a rat's ass.

    It's all about appearances, my friend.

    BA- My advice is follow your gut and your conscience, and get ready for the ride, wherever it takes you, it will eventually be better than where you are now.

    PS- I speak from experience, and it ain't easy doin' the right thing.

  • Doubting Bro
    Doubting Bro

    OTWO,

    That's awesome. Your story gives me inspiration.

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