If any signifigant proof about a spirit world, God, or anything in that realm was to ever resurface, it would be a huge disaster to society. Religious persecution would be worse, and the persecuted or "religions proved to be wrong" would deny and lash back. People's view of the world around them and what they hold true would drastically change. Think of what Agent K said in "Men in Black" what would happen if humans knew about aliens.
So any such evidence is best kept secret.
Final Thought About Atheism
by The wanderer 69 Replies latest jw friends
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Liza
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Abaddon
The wanderer
If you read what I asked for in the begining you will see I have always been very clear in my requests; either I have to believe you do not understand basic English words like 'proof', are being deliberately obtuse, or think I have to prove your speculations as you are too idle to do so yourself.
The originial issue was: "Now, if top colleges
and university’s have evidence that concludes
such exists,(paranormal) that maybe enough to
support the belief that God does exist."As top Universities and colleges DO NOT have evidence that the paranormal exists, it would seem this is NOT a way to support belief in god.
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golf2
People who don't believe in the 'spirit' world need to spend some with Native American Indians, especially the one who wears a 'false' face.
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The wanderer
Dear Abbadon:
Here is the telephone number to
Penn State University
(1-814-689-2133).
The University that does not have a
paranormal department or program or
as a matter of fact does not even exist.
When you call for the information and
evidence regarding this subject then you
can talk to me.
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funkyderek
The Wanderer:
The University that does not have a
paranormal department or program or
as a matter of fact does not even exist.Cambridge University doesn't have one. (See http://www.cam.ac.uk/cambuniv/)
But perhaps you only meant American universities. Harvard doesn't seem to have such a program either. (See http://www.harvard.edu/academics/academicdepts.html and http://www.harvard.edu/academics/research.html). But I don't know much about American universities. Perhaps Harvard's not as important as Penn State.
So, in the interests of fairness, I went to Penn State's website and I couldn't find anything there to indicate that they had a paranormal department or program. How strange, I thought! So I scrolled back up the thread until I found your link. And there it was: The Pennsylvania State University Paranormal Research Society. Sounds impressive. So I checked it out.
The Pennsylvania State University Paranormal Research Society (PSUPRS, or more commonly known as just PRS) is a student organization, founded September 16th, 2001 by Ryan Buell. Buell, who was only 19-years-old at the time, wanted to create a completely professional paranormal society that was different from any other. - http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/paranormal/ABOUTPRS/about.shtml
Sounds to me like it's just one of many student-run clubs in the university. No matter, easy mistake to make.
You also have a link from Oxford University, which I know is one of the most prestigious in the world. So I checked that out. I was surprised to find out that it was even less relevant than your Penn State link. It's just a link to a summary of a psychology course which among other things, discusses the psychology behind belief in the paranormal!
Now I don't know whether you're being deliberately dishonest or just lazy, or if you're simply too stupid to distinguish relevant material from irrelevant, but whatever the reason, it's obvious that none of the links you provided in any way support your claims.
When you call for the information and
evidence regarding this subject then you
can talk to me.What I'm wondering is why nobody has published any of this research that allegedly proves the existence of paranormal phenomena. A very recent study has shown hope for a cure for diabetes and it has been reported by every major news medium. I've never seen a similar report about supernatural phenomena. If it were real, why is there no real research being done? Why are there no results? Where are the news reports or the new products being developed? Where, in short, is the evidence?
[Edited because The Wanderer edited his message]
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funkyderek
I've just checked out Richard Wiseman's Wikipedia entry. (He was the professor giving the psychology course in Oxford University that The Wanderer used to support his notion that universities take paranormal claims seriously.) The reality is quite different from what the Wanderer tried to fool us into believing:
Professor Wiseman is known for his critical examination, often with a view to debunking, of unusual phenomena, including reports of paranormal phenomena. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Wiseman
It's hard to imagine the hubris that allow someone to post such laughably inaccurate information and then to claim that anyone who disagrees with them hasn't done the research. Shame on you, Wanderer!
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Abaddon
The wanderer
Didn't you realise the Penn U thing wasn't academic?
Or do you think Student Union/Guild/Associations are academic?
Wow. I never knew that when I edited the University of Exeter's Student's Newspaper I could have been quoted as an authority on journalism!
Now, stop being silly and provide some proof of the paranormal, oh dear, you can't.
golf2
Someone THINKING they are in the grip of spirits/elves/Carebears, and someone actually being controlled by non-cororeal entities are two different things. The former beliefs are held by millions of people with mutually contradictory belief structures and explanations. The latter is something that has never been proved,
...unless screwing one's face up and going 'wooo!' (or varients thereof) is proof to you.
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kid-A
"I know there will be ridicule, however, this is a good start and it disproves "kid-A's" prior claims."
No, you have not disproved my "claims", which in fact, were not "claims", they were the ACTUAL links to the psychology departments in question which unequivocally demonstrated that NEITHER possesses a program or "school" of Parapsychology as you claimed.
The best you have provided is a link to a student "club", which is simply one of likely hundreds of student organizations within Penn. This does not mean the University "sanctions" the activities or pursuits of said "club". Neither Oxford NOR Penn has any official program, research department or official inter-disciplinary program that studies the "paranormal" or "parapsychology". This leaves two possibilities, 1) you received false information about this and decided to post these claims to bolster your argument without checking your sources, or 2) you randomly selected what you thought were two prominent universities and fabricated some stories about their research programs in parapsychology. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and assume option 1. In any case, I hope you will have enough class to admit you were wrong about Penn and Oxford.
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golf2
Abaddon, when I was in Jamaica for a golf tournament, we had a party in a building that supposedly housed spirits/ghost, call it what you like. The tour guide told us that those who challenged to stay the night had some terrible experiences. He then turned his attention to us and asked if anyone would be willing to accept the challenge, sorry, no one did. My question to you would be, would you?
About Native American Indian culture your not versed in it.
Golf
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The wanderer
Regarding the evidence surrounding the paranormal is a challenge
simply because an individual first has to accept creditable schools,
scholars, and institutions in order to go forward. Without that
acceptance it is impossible to prove anything.On a personal level, I really do not like being called more or less
a liar when I do produce creditable sources. Again, I will produce
creditable sources and the very first website with paranormal
evidence.Whether or not that evidence will be taken into consideration
is another story all together. In other words, I seriously doubt it.
However, here is the evidence, as promised and please note the
creditable sources.American Institute of of Parapsychology
When you click on the above link take a close look at the archive section.
Pennsylvania State University Paranormal Society.Here is the phone number for the above link 1-814-689-2133 .
Contact information Oxford Discovery Office
University of Oxford
Department for Continuing Education
Ewert House
Summertown
OXFORD OX2 7DD
UK
t: +44 1865 28 08 83
f: +44 1865 28 08 86
email: [email protected]The Parapsychological Association
Information about the Parapsychological Association
I know there will be ridicule, however, this is a good
start and it disproves "kid-A's" prior claims.Respectfully,
The Wanderer