Minister Amos said:
Whatever they "cost" is made up for in multiples by the fact that they:
1:Pay taxes but will never receive the benefits of them
Let's deal with theses issues line by line, and not with simple ascertions or bumper sticker slogans. What are the facts? When it comes to cost The Center for Immigration Studies cited a Census Bureau study (The study can be found here http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html that found illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 BILLION in costs to the Federal Government, and psid only $16 BILLION in taxes. That leaves a net deficit of over $10.4 BILLION, or $2,700 per illegal household.
None of these take into account the benefits to the economy. Do you not agree that they benefit the local economies? That really is the issue. Otherwise it would be cut and dry. We NEED them here.
Accoording to FAIR, illegal immigrants cost the State of California nearly $9 BILLION. http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2004/12/06/news/top_stories/19_56_5812_5_04.txt
2:Will never receive Social Security even though they pay for it
No, they will probably steal your identity, and you will have to pay for it.
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http://redtape.msnbc.com/2006/03/hidden_cost_of_.html
Call it what you will, but when the mainstream media confirms it as a fact, then what are you going to do? Call the media bigots, also?
If they don't utilize a public education system, then that is their own fault. I beg to differ on paying school taxes, since most school taxes are levied on property owners. However, with the current number of banks marketing to the illegal segment of the population, that may change. According to a 2003 Federation for American Immigration Reform study, the cost of a K-12 education for illegal alien children was at least $7.4 BILLION.
I work for an elementary school district. Most of our immigrants come from Korea. We do have a lot of Hispanics who are here legally though. The Legal Koreans are the ones who don't know English and are utilizing the SDAE teachers.
You are comparing legal immigration (which I am all for) with illegal. Apples and oranges.
5:Usually accept less money which means you pay less for the same goods
Which undercuts hard working American citizens. I wonder if you have done any research on the drywall industry that thrived in the historically black south-central area of Los Angeles. It is interesting reading.
It is not the fault of the men who don't have documents. It is the fault of the greedy corporations who hire them . This is the very root of the problem. If the workers had documents to work legally, they could claim the regular wage and when workers run out, drive the wage up as it should go up. So who benefits from keeping them illegal? This is the question to keep asking in this whole argument: Who benefits? That's the entire gist of my thread. I believe that no one really wants to resolve the problem because the government knows that our entire economic system would suffer greatly if either of the following happens: We deport all the illegals or we legalize them and they are allowed to earn what they should. Nevermind the cost to keep them here. The economy's benefits outweigh the tangible costs.
You have no issue with me on this. I want the corporate fat cats to start doing the purp walk over illegal hiring practices. I don't think that will happen with Jorge W. in the Casa Blanca, nor do I think it will happen with a Dem as President. The reasons are simple. Corporations give to both parties equally! Secondly, people like yourself have labeled those of us that want the illegal invasion to stop as racists and bigots. And yes it is an invasion, please see definitions 3 and 4 below:
| 1. | an act or instance of invading or entering as an enemy, esp. by an army. |
| 2. | the entrance or advent of anything troublesome or harmful, as disease. |
| 3. | entrance as if to take possession or overrun: the annual invasion of the resort by tourists. |
| 4. | infringement by intrusion. |
I am of the opinion that a single card that most be shown at the time of hire, which shows who the lawful holder of the issued Social Security number is would suffice. We already have that for credit cards, I don't think it is a stretch to ask for it with Social Security cards. It's simple, and it takes one of the biggest excuses away from corporations, that being that they cannot tell the difference between authentic and forged documents.
Dry up the jobs and they will stop coming. Simple as that.
6:Are available. I can't stress how important this is after going through Ivan and Katrina. Without illegals, the roofs around here would STILL be covered in blue tarps.
Would they? I don't think so. I think that if contractors had to pay a fair wage to American citizens OR to legal residents! Correct or not? But who benefits from the illegal status of these hard-working laborers?
Legal residents are not the issue. Stop confusing it. As far as who benefits, why don't you ask the people that pick up day laborers in home improvement center parking lots? Or perhaps the people that contract to gardeners that may or may not have the right to work legally in the US? Or the old money in San Francisco's Nob Hill, which hire illegal British and Irsh women to be nannies? A lot of people benefit for illegal workers, not just corporate fat cats, though they are the highest profile offenders.
You didn't "go around" with me. You argued your same old tired arguments that you are arguing here. So, is it okay to call these human beings who come here to work "invaders"? When I think of the term "invader" I think of war.You don't agree that it sounds like a bigotted and inhumane expression designed to depersonify humans who obviously do not intend to start a war with us?
Are you of the opinion that no one is a "bigot" then? If not, then under what circumstances is someone truly a "bigot"? Do you think the word should be struck from the English dictionary? Or can it actually be possible that sometimes people truly are or sound like bigots by their choice of words?
As did you. There is nothing new here. You say that anyone that disagrees eith you is a bigot and a racist. Which is fine. It illustrates the fact that when you have lost the battle you only have name-calling to resort to. As for the rest of your tirade, yes I do believe that there are bigots and ricsts out there, and that now most of them cloak it with the veneer of liberalism. It keeps them comfortable. You see Minister Amos summed it up great. As long as it does not affect him personally he's not concerned. This is the reason why there is a problem. He only cares about the here and now. I am trying to make sure that future generations of Americans won't be born into a balkanized United States.
Be careful when you through around terms like bigot, because you never know when that will turn around and bite you on the butt.
LOL, too funny that you actually believe this.
Yes, I do. Funny you still haven't answered the question that preceeded that. Was Cesar Chavez a bigot for protesting against the illegal alien strike breakers during La Causa, or like most who hold to the views you espouse are simply ignorant of the facts?
