My JW sister wants her mom and siblings to pay for HER retirement!

by Who are you? 54 Replies latest jw friends

  • bluesapphire
    bluesapphire

    This sounds EXACTLY like my 1975er mother in law!

    Her own mother and father saved their entire lives for retirement. They eventually retired and sold their home and purchased a mobile home in Florida for next to nothing. They were from the depression era so they KNEW HOW TO SAVE!

    By the time her father died, they had $300,000 in savings in the bank. You could see the $$$$$ signs in my mother in law's eyes!

    The thing is her own mom got really sick the last few years of her life. My mother in law relied on her own sister to take care of their mother, thus the savings would still be in tact. But low and behold! She needed professional care and watch 24/7. They had to fork up ALL OF THE SAVINGS, pay it to the state and put their mother in a state-run hospital.

    Poor poor Mother in law! Out flew her own retirement!!! Isn't it a drag when the people who actually saved the money end up using the money? Versus, of course, donating it to the Crotchtower Society! Then it's ok to take people's retirement/inheritance and keep it for a good cause - barf!

  • funkyderek
    funkyderek

    Who are you?:

    Be nice to your sister. Let her know that you won't expect her to pay her share of the cost of your mother's care until she's found herself a job.

  • Gerard
    Gerard
    [...] she needs to get on with her life and get a full time job so that she can take care of herself. We will hire a professional to look after my mom.

    A very logical outcome.

    Just curious, did she shun any of you in the past?

  • Margie
    Margie

    This situation makes me really sad for your family. There must be a lot of older JWs in the same boat as your sister (i.e., having nothing for retirement) and it must be scary as hell to be in that situation. Your sister must feel pretty desperate. Of course, your sister's situation now is the totally foreseeable outcome of her choices throughout her life. I don't have any advice. I just hope you and your family are able to work this out in whatever way is best. Good luck.

  • CaptainSchmideo
    CaptainSchmideo

    Here is the scripture that is forgotten or ignored by these "pioneers".

    MATTHEW 15:4-6 NLT 4 For instance, God says, `Honor your father and mother,’ and `Anyone who speaks evil of father or mother must be put to death.’" 5 But you say, `You don’t need to honor your parents by caring for their needs if you give the money to God instead.’ 6 And so, by your own tradition, you nullify the direct commandment of God.

    Of course, time can be just as valuable as money, and when these clowns spend all their time knocking doors and peddling literature, when that time could be spent working and supporting an aged P or M, I am always reminded of this scripture...

  • badboy
    badboy

    HALLELEJAH, BROTHER FOR THIS QUOTE FROM THE SCRIPTURES.

    I WONDER WHAT SHE/THE ELDERS WOULD MAKE OF THAT QUOTE FROM THE GOOD BOOK.

  • Who are you?
    Who are you?

    Wow..these replies are all awesome!!!

    I just talked to my brother who accompanied my mom and sister to the doctors appoinment. They took an Xray which showed that her hip was not damaged. This latest fall which happened in the middle of the night because she tried to use her cane instead of her walker, resulted only in bruised ribs. The doctor warned my mom that she has to use the walker...period, and that she cannot afford a serious fall.

    My mom couldn't use her walker because it was in her car....which brings us back to Lady Lee's point which was....if my sister was truly caretaking then she should have brought the walker into the house or given my mom a bell to ring so she could help her at night.

    So as it stands right now, we will buy a second walker, one for the inside of the home and one for her car. We will install additional lighting with sensors if she has to get up at night. My brother bought her some Depends, just in case, so she will have them available to her...she seemed relieved.

    My mom definately wants to stay in her house and says that she can manage with a little bit of help. My brother and I will become much more proactive with calls and visits. My sister will (she has no choice) get a full time job. If my mom wants my sister to stay in the house for company sake, then we will pay for someone else to come in during the day to handle mom's laundry, cleaning etc...My brother will then stop by every day after work to check up on her. Then when winter hits, she can come down and stay with us in Florida.

    Just as some of you had suspected, my mom had given my sister her credit card for groceries and my sister had been using it to pay her own bills as well. We will come up with a new arrangement for that as well. We will handle a lot of these issues when I go up there the week after next.

    I appreciate very much all of the thoughtful replies and wisdom from EVERY ONE of you!

    Just curious, did she shun any of you in the past?

    She did shun my brother when he left and she shunned my wife even though my wife was never officially DF'ed. Over the years she was so obnoxious that we just eventually started to ignore her and stopped ruining holidays by giving her the obligitory invite. She circumvented that by always showing up out of the blue when dinner was about to start. You know the routine.

    Be nice to your sister. Let her know that you won't expect her to pay her share of the cost of your mother's care until she's found herself a job.

    My brother did have the pleasure of telling her to go ahead and go back to work, that we would pick up the slack and hire in some help and that eventually when she was on her feet she could pitch in as well.

    I just hope you and your family are able to work this out in whatever way is best. Good luck.

    To be honest, I will have a frank and earnest discussion with my sister about financial planning. If my mom does allow her to stay rent free and continues to pay for groceries then she should be able to save at least $1000 a month. They live just outside Chicago, the wages are good. If she save for 5 years then she will have a great start.

    To those who mentioned the UU's. She lives 35 minutes from her church and in the opposite direction of most of the members. Without a doubt that is a big part of her support system. Another big advantage is that she is friends with a lot of members 20, 30 and 40 years younger than her. She played in a regional symphony up until last year, so she has a lot of musician friends as well. The brothers, myself included need to pick up the slack and get way more involved and keep her in those loops as well. We will. She deserves nothing less.

    Thanks again for all of your replies!!!

  • Gerard
    Gerard
    Just as some of you had suspected, my mom had given my sister her credit card for groceries and my sister had been using it to pay her own bills as well.

    Unbelievable! She must also have her Social Security Nbr. You may be on time to do damage control or prevent it: Check that she did not request any kind of loan or credit cards using your Mom's numbers. Take firm steps to prevent her having access to your Mom's assets in the future.

    I'm glad you are figuring things to take care of your Mom.

    G

  • Saoirse
    Saoirse

    My brother tried something similar. He claimed that he had to quit his job and care for my elderly grandparents 24/7. I lived out of state and was in a bad financial situation at the time so i wasn't able to travel to check on the situation. Every time I spoke to him he was telling me about all the hard work he was doing, blah, blah, blah. He even tried to get me to agree to give him a portion of my inheritance to pay him back for caring for my grandparents. Thank God we never ended up working out a deal. When I finally made it up to see my grandparents I found them living in filthy, deplorable conditions. I stayed up the whole first night I was there just cleaning the place. It broke my heart because my grandmother was always such a clean person. My brother had been spending their money and since he had power of attorney there was nothing I could do. I went off on him and then he went on a campaign against me. He told everyone I was an apostate (I wasn't at the time) and told bunch of other lies about me. My mother sided with my brother, she couldn't believe that her little pioneer son would ever do anything bad. My JW in-laws heard all the gossip and took my brother's side because he was a devout JW and was inactive. I haven't spoken to my mother or brother since that day. I'm just so disgusted with both of them. To treat the elderly that way is just so inhuman.

  • Gerard
    Gerard

    I'm sorry to hear of siblings leaching off their elderly relatives. I have a brother that was still living with his Mom at age 37. And he did not work at all. At one moment he seemed to get his act together, got a job, got maried and had a son. Then they divorced and he went back to Mom for almost one year, without working.

    My sister, who lives nearby was more aware of the details and gave him something like $3,000 in order to move away to another city. He did.

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