Have we Forgotten? (page 4)

Kaethra

I wouldn't want to be the teacher who's allowed the concealed weapon when there's a crazy man on campus. Wouldn't I be the first one taken out?

purplesofa

I wouldn't want to be the teacher whose allowed the concealed weapon when there's a crazy man on campus. Wouldn't I be the first one taken out?

I thought of this very thing too Kaethra.

BA,

I don't know if you have children or not. I have sent five little kids to first day of school ........at the end of the day when they came home.......Hey kids, How was your first day at new school.

Well, mom there was a man murdered in the little alley next to the church that we took to go to school this am. We had to walk a different way, cuz they were taking the body to the ambulance........

Son, first day at Junior High......goes thru medal detector....before going on campus......as there were threats to kill students at this school.

I move to another state and enroll my daughter in school......as we are going round campus to the lunch room ......the eating area is like a pit .....where onlookers from above can look down from three sides......and all I can think of is how a gunman could pick off all those little kids.

Whats going on at our school systems is a tragedy. I dont think carrying more guns will solve anything. I think we need to figure out a way for our children to go to school and be safe.

What happened at Paducah KY and Jonesboro AR ten years ago was enough for me........Here we are ten years later......and the death count gets higher and higher.

Freaking prisoners are better protected than our kids.

purps

Brother Apostate

I wouldn't want to be the teacher who's allowed the concealed weapon when there's a crazy man on campus. Wouldn't I be the first one taken out?

That is why I think students, and administrators, etc, who qualify to carry should also be allowed and encouraged to do so. And teachers who don't should not be forced to. Otherwise teachers would be targeted by these madmen.

But if concealed carriers were encouraged, this sort of thing would not see casualties above one or two.

BA

purplesofa

Good luck. Eventually she will need to learn to have the self-discipline to do so without you

And I believe she will..........but when everyone gave up...........someone had to be there for her...........I just think we give up on people and there problems, and the only alternative is final to them........death of them.......death of others.

purps

free2beme

Shock overload - We mentally choose to forget or not dwell on it

purplesofa

I watched the interview from the boy that was in a class of about ten students this am. the one they are calling a hero. And how they barracaded the door, the killer tried to get in and was able to get the door open about 6 inches.

possibly if he had a gun, the boy interviewed, could have shot the killer.......I dont know.

purps

Simon

Having more people with guns is not the solution even if they are 'guards'. All these guns and the gun-loving society is the reason the problem is there in the first place.

What you need to do:

Remove guns from society
Change American society

There are / have been killings in other countries but these seem to be very isolated incidents compared to the US

purplesofa

Having more people with guns is not the solution even if they are 'guards'. All these guns and the gun-loving society is the reason the problem is there in the first place.
What you need to do:
Remove guns from society
Change American society
There are / have been killings in other countries but these seem to be very isolated incidents compared to the US

thanks simon........I needed to hear that.

I agree.

purps

funkyderek

Brother Apostate:

There are statistics that prove that in concealed gun carrying states, violent crime goes down. It acts as a deterrent to would-be criminals to know they may get shot instead of doing the shooting.

So shouldn't countries that allow unrestricted gun ownership have lower violent crime rates than those that do not? Is that actually the case?

It's not the ones who are legally carrying concealed handguns who are commiting the crime- it is they who are serving as a deterrent.

So the shooter's gun was illegally owned? Why, given how easy it is to legally get a gun in Virginia?

Brother Apostate

FD,

There are statistics that prove that in concealed gun carrying states, violent crime goes down. It acts as a deterrent to would-be criminals to know they may get shot instead of doing the shooting.
So shouldn't countries that allow unrestricted gun ownership have lower violent crime rates than those that do not? Is that actually the case?

Good question. The key here is getting a permit to carry the concealed handgun. Just owning a handgun allows a US citizen to use that weapon for hunting, target practice, or self-defense in the home. By taking the steps necessary to obtain a carry concealed weapon (CCW, also known as concealed carry) a law-abiding citizen has the opportunity to use that weapon for self defense in public- and put an end to situations like the one at VA tech, thus saving lives.

It's not the ones who are legally carrying concealed handguns who are commiting the crime- it is they who are serving as a deterrent.
So the shooter's gun was illegally owned? Why, given how easy it is to legally get a gun in Virginia?

I don't know if the gun was illegal or legally owned- but I, for now, assume it was illegal, in that the shooter, it has been reported, was a Chinese national here on a visa (from what has been published so far).

Anyhow, that's (mostly) beside the point. The point is that the shooter would never have been able to get a CCW permit because, for one thing, he was not a US citizen, nor, therefore, a resident of Virginia.

More information on CCW here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concealed_carry

As a side note, the assumption is often made that legally carrying a gun somehow puts one in league with criminals who carry theirs illegally. Nothing could be further from the truth, as I've stated previously in this thread, it all comes down to intent. A criminal will always be able to get a hold of an illegal black market gun, and carry it most anywhere. There are never going to be enough law enforcement personnel in this world to be at the wrong palce at the right time. And statistics bear out that as states adopt CCW, and citizens get CCW permits, violent crime falls, because it acts as a deterrent to would be criminals.

Now, we could get into a debate as to why many countries who have disarmed their populace have an overall lower rate of violent crime than the US does, but it's rather like comparing apples and oranges, imo.

BA

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