Fencing Borders - Anyone Else Think This Is A Stupid Idea?? (page 4)

willyloman

Take over Mexico and rebuild it..problem solved. Next?

I wonder if the trillions Bush spent in Iraq would have been enough to make Mexico the 51st (and 52nd, 53rd, 54th) state(s)?

Anony-Mouse

Take a good long look at the Statue of Liberty.

Now remember what it stands for.

A fence does not solve these problems - we don't need a fence here due to the large moat around the country. Though this doesn't stop people seeking refuge or a better life coming in by boat from Indonesia.

The solution is far from simple (and I don't profess to have a solution) as it has includes elements such as desperation (those trying to come in), greed (hiring illegals at sweatshop rates) and opportunism (criminal opportunism).

By the way, there is a case going here at the moment where someone is being prosecuted for slavery (an unusual case arising from the employment of an illegal under very poor slave like conditions...)

abbagail

I seriously doubt they will build a fence. It's just "talk" so people will "think" our "leaders" are actually going to do something about it (that's what they really get paid for, to just keep people's minds "busy" and/or "pacified" and focused in the OPPOSITE Direction of what is REALLY going on). They won't build a fence because that would contradict what their real plan is, to incorporate Mexico with the USA with Canada, the NORTH AMERICAN UNION (NAU) = ONE BIG OPEN CONTINENT, NO BORDERS, that's their plan. A few links for starters...
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul341.html
http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst082806.htm
http://www.augustreview.com/issues/general/toward_a_north_american_union_200608181/

Bush, Fox, Martin sealed the deal in 2005, and Bush and the succeeding pressies of MX and CA have met since then. It's already well along in the works (ie, many "agreements" have been entered into already and the "deals sealed" w/o oversight by Congress nor input from the American people) with the completion date for the NAU by 2010 (thanks to the CFR who dictate to America's leaders what to do: http://www.cfr.org/ ). They have given it a new "pretty" name, too, just in case people catch on, "SECURITY & PROSPERITY PARTNERSHIP" (SPP). My, how nice, who wouldn't want that? :-/

"This [SPP] represents the official public beginning [3/23/05] of an ongoing series of agreements and implementations aimed at combining the economies, populations and cultures of the nations of North America into a borderless 'North American Free Trade Zone. Think: "I pledge allegiance to the Continent and to the Commerce for which it stands." "
http://www.theamericanresistance.com/sovereignty/sovereignty.html
www.spp.gov/
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/03/20050323-4.html
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=2

The "REAL ID" is part of it, too, to have ID's centralized with all states DL's, and this is supposed to be completed in
2008: http://www.citizinemag.com/commentary/commentary-0505_haroldsmith.htm

And the new Social Security Act which gives benefits to illegal aliens is also part of it, that's already passed as well: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060518-114132-2456r.htm

And the Super Corridor is another step for the NAU/Open Borders (which is what the CFR plan calls for), a huge, super corridor from Mexico up to Kansas: http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul349.html ; http://www.house.gov/paul/tst/tst2006/tst103006.htm ;
http://stopspp.com/stopspp/?page_id=36 .

Currently Mexican trucks are not allowed farther than 20 miles inside the USA, but this corridor will pave the way free and clear. And the end-point of the corridor in Kansas will be off-limits to Americans. The gov will be making good use of its eminent domain laws that the Supreme Court passed in 2005 in order to scoop up more land from farmers from Texas to Kansas.

Most people are not aware of what those rats are up to because the media do not report on it so you CAN know (most of the major media are CFR themselves).

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Plenty of reading you can do about it, even at the gov's own websites, and the CFR website, the SPP gov website, etc.

Or if you don't feel like reading, get yourself this new DVD for ONE BUCK ($1.00):

"THE PRETEXT FOR THE NORTH AMERICAN UNION"

http://www.onedollardvdproject.com . It has news and film of the 3 leaders at these conferences, and videos from the gov's own websites, with lots of other facts and figures, etc.

Also check google video or YouTube for those same subjects mentioned above.

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The Average Annual Legal Immigration
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The Colonial Era (1607-1775): 3,500
The Nation Building Era (1776-1819): 6,500
The Era of Continental Expansion (1820-1879): 162,000
The Great Wave (1880-1924): 584,000
The Rise of the Middle Class (1925-1964): 178,000
The Civil Rights Era (1965-1989): 507,000

The Average Annual Legal Immigration
Level Since The Immigration Act Of 1990:

1,000,000
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greendawn

There are many Americans that hire Mexicans as cheap labour paying them very little for their work. If it hadn't been for these the illegal immigrants would have to go back to their country. But seriously the Americans can't afford to let this to go on because they will get totally inundated with Mexicans crossing over to what is to them the promised land.

In Europe there is a similar problem with illegal immigrants coming over from Eastern Europe or from the sea especialy from Spain, they are mainly Moslems and we have enough of them as it is. Unlike the Mexicans they are totally unassimilable due to their religion, they are radically alien to European culture.

Seeker4

If I knew I could slip across the border into Canada and get a job there making, say 10x what I'm making here, I'd very likely do it.

Think about the temptation for an average working person in the US to be able to go to Canada and make $200 an hour, $1600 for an 8 hour day, $8,000 a week!

That may give this a little more perspective.

S4

hillary_step

Seeker4,

Think about the temptation for an average working person in the US to be able to go to Canada and make $200 an hour, $1600 for an 8 hour day, $8,000 a week!

You seem to be under the misapprehension that everybody in Canada is a pastry chef.

HS

Mum

When I hear people railing about "illegals," I tell them that I am a 20th-generation "illegal alien." My ancestors on both sides came to this country in the early 1700's. They only needed to kill Indians / Native Americans to establish legal residency.

A lot of people from the U.S. cross the border to live in Mexico as well, a fact that seems to be ignored. The folks on the southern side of the border don't seem to be concerned, even though the norteamericanos don't pick a single tomato or clean up an ounce of filth for their much more gracious hosts in their adopted land.

Regards,

SandraC

Fencing Borders - Anyone Else Think This Is A Stupid Idea??