The Trinity ( arguement to end all arguments I hope )

by 5go 56 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  5go

  I pretty much don't think much of Christendom.

  But why do Christians insist on holding such an unholdable position with the trinity.

  The bible I agree holds proof for both trinity and nontrinity positions.

  I still don't get why that christians other than catholics would hold such an untenable position as god came down to earth but didn't, and he prayed ( talked ) to himself a lot.

  I remember a comedy sketch were some kids were stumping a nun in catholic school with question on the trinity and the eurachrist.
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  Zico

  Lol, you're not gonna end a 1600 year old argument with this one post! :)
  
  'I still don't get why that christians other than catholics would hold such an untenable position as god came down to earth but didn't, and he prayed ( talked ) to himself a lot.'
  
  The WT Society often creates a strawman when it discusses the Trinity. They turn it into modalism, this is the belief that Father, Son and Holy Spirit are all the same being in different forms. This is NOT what the Trinity teaches. Trinitarians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 different, seperate persons, in one God. Sort of like, together they all share the title God (Like 6 billion humans share the title mankind) From this perspective, there's no issues with one member of God coming to Earth, or one member of God praying to a different member. Just like there'd be no problem with different members of mankind talking to each other, or moving away from each other, because they're not the same person!
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  5go

  Trinitarians believe the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 3 different, seperate persons, in one God.

  How is that any diffrent from what the society explained ?

  So you say god has MPD ?
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  Leolaia

  The reason of why trinitarian thinking exists in Christianity is simple: it is a compromise between two otherwise conflicting positions, strict monotheism inherited from Judaism and early Christian devotion to Jesus Christ (cf. Hurtado's description of binitarianism), which in some forms ascribed deity to Christ. If one accepts that Jesus is God, one would either have to give up monotheism (i.e. endorse a form of ditheism), accept the normative Jewish concept of God and regard Jesus alone as God (i.e. embrace a form of modalism), or develop a way to treat Jesus and the Father as somehow comprising a single God, maintaining monotheism by admitting distinction between the two without dividing them up into separate gods. Mainstream orthodox Christianity opted the latter as the best solution and set about the difficult task of figuring out the terminology and conceptual framework for this position. Arianism solved the conundrum by denying that Jesus is God in the first place. This made for a simpler explanation though it was inadequate from the point of view of respecting NT texts that express early Christian devotion to Jesus. All these theologies, of course, harmonize disparate NT texts that do not represent a single point of view.

  And when you add the Holy Spirit into the mix, the whole matter becomes even more complex. Despite the conceptual difficulty of the Nicene Trinity, there is an attractive elegance and harmony in the doctrine missing from the early economical trinity of some second-century apologists, tho the latter is much closer to some NT concepts as later trinitarian thinking.
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  wozadummy

  Hard then is'nt it ,to search for the so called right christian religion and have total confidence in it, and accept it when faced with that at the very core of christianity is this mish mash of explaining god who christians hold up as the the great revealer of secrets?

  With so many highly intelligent scholastic people in history having examined the bible ,and we still see there's no agreement on who god really is ,what hope do us ordinary people of this planet have in picking up the bible ,reading it ,and then confidently say .....yes this is god and I "know" him?

  Puzzling is'nt it?
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  Pubsinger

  That's why many focus on the relationship with God.

  If I say I know God exists because I have experienced his presence, you've got a couple of options - call me a liar or call me deluded.

  I may be either of those things. But it's my experience and my faith that's resting on it.

  That's why I no longer expect a uniform explanation of God and don't have any problem with those who don't believe or who have a slightly different perspective - inc JWs

  I have issues with the WT but not with JWs. Same goes for The Catholic Church but not Catholics etc etc.

  That's why many do not look for

  the so called right christian religion

  but do feel they have come to know (something of) God
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  Shazard

  To argue against Trinity you have to understand it. You can't argue against something you don't understand. But to understand trinity, it is not so eazy to do! So you can take it or leave it. And when ppl say, they can't understand (or show it by creating straw-man) and that's their argument against validity of it, then I tell that I don't understand chemistry so chemistry is BS!
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  Shazard

  5go, and yes, your arguments was anti-modalism! So I see you even don't understand how Christians understand term God and Trinity!
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  Hellrider

  I still don't get why that christians other than catholics would hold such an untenable position as god came down to earth but didn't, and he prayed ( talked ) to himself a lot.

  That is not trinitarianism, it`s modalism. Trinitarians consider it heresy.
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  timmycat

  Only Jehovah is said to be ALMIGHTY, the trinity is not an issue with me, and cant understand how anyone could believe in or worship a three headed god, yes they got it right, it is pagan and has nothing to do with the creator, but rather the creation.